New Road Safety Bill

Tripped over this just now:

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200506/cmbills/113/06113.i-iii.html

A lot of it is concerned with modifications and repeals of older
legislation, but there is a significant move towards increasing the
point and fine penalties for a number of offences. Failing to give
info as to the identity of a driver will now carry a six-point
penalty, as will damaging a "railway or other bridge" by crashing into
it.

Looks like there's extensions to offences of using mobile phones, not
wearing seatbelts, using "speed assessment device detectors", amongst
others. It looks to create an offence for keeping an uninsured
vehicle, too.

This will become the Road Safety Act 2006.

 

Thank **** for that (the bridge bit). There's two railway bridges here
that are crashed into at least once a fortnight. The council even
fitted big flashing signs with height sensors, but it still keeps
happening, causing traffic chaos every time.


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18 - Speed assesment equipment
1B - that will be aimed at making GPS overlays of cameras illegal, like
France

14 - Alchohol ignition overlocks
Oh look a wonderful new idea

42-44 - aha here comes the clampdown on supply of plates. The "new
technology" plates will be along shortly.

How very depressing.

 

Hmm - does posessing a "map" of the disposition of cameras constitute
"detection". The lawyers will have a field day. Will it be illegal to,
say, take a photograph of a speed camera or to write down the location of a
speed camera or tell a friend about a speed camera or to remember where one
is? Perhaps even looking at a speed camera will become an offence as your
eyes would clearly constitute a "speed assessment equipment detection
device". And if your passenger should warn you of a camera ahead that would
become conspiracy to pervert the course of justice!

 

I didn't know it was illegal. Presumably when you say 'overlay' you're
including the storing of radar units as POIs?

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Does my speedometer count as a speed assessment device?
Do my eyes count as speed assessment device detectors when I look at the
speedo?

 

Yes it does. I know folk who have been asked to show their TomTom
overlays.
They are very heavy on it too even though France has very few cameras
(yet)

 

A software file downloaded into a GPS capable device.
Given that those using such devices have been counted as having less
accidents, they will have a field day. It's not about saving lives
though. It's about totalitarian attitudes.

 

Crikey. Still, I only actually have the Swiss ones loaded, as I don't
give a **** about the french ones, what with forn plates an' all.
Something to bear in mind for the future though.

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Any sort of equipment to detect or confuse road traffic control is
outlawed in France we were told. Yet I see Road Angel have a french
website, odd. Perhaps Cab can enlighten us?

Predictable:
Road safety groups have welcomed a ban. Aimee Bowen of road safety
charity Brake says users of these devices are just trying to flout
the law.

"Drivers already have a free mechanism in their car. It's called a
speedometer. No-one needs these devices unless they have an ulterior
motive, which is to break the law and put lives at risk."

Other European countries which have outlawed camera detectors include
France, Spain, Belgium, Greece, Austria, Turkey, Switzerland,
Luxembourg,
Ireland and Norway.

 

<renames POI overlays to Accident Blackspots>
Hahah!

On a more serious note, as you can set some GPS to warn you at a set
speed (there's a plugin type program for tomtom that will warn you when
you break a 30/40/50/etc limit) will that be illegal?

Why should it be illegal to have a device that reminds you to "drive
safely" and legally?

 

<happy sigh>

 

Nah, you need somebody who is French for that.

Oh, btw: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4711446.stm -
SPECS cameras Belfast.

 

Oh look: 'Financial Penalty Deposits'...

They already do this in the case of untaxed vehicles pulled and clamped on
the spot by DVLA / VOSA... that, and they appear to be granting far more
powers to the VOSA gestapo

....and 'Exemption from speed limits' - no more officers being done for doing
159mph, eh.

Cunts, the lot of 'em.

Time to persuade the wife we should actively look to relocate to Australia,
methinks... and yes I know they're as anal about ID cards and the like over
there, but at least you can **** off to somewhere which really is the middle
of nowhere, and pay lip service to all this sort of bollocks.

 

You couldn't make it up, could you? They paint the fucking things bright
yellow and post signs to warn of their presence and then say that you are
committing an offence if you have some way of warning yourself about the
same cameras! Perhaps the people who put up those same warning signs should
be prosecuted as these clearly represent "speed assessment equipment
detection devices". Ah but hang on a minute isn't there a requirement for
these signs to be in place for all cameras placed under the National Safety
Camera Partnership rules and guidance (most cameras)? So will they be
prosecuting themselves or what?

 

You're *hugely* wrong if you think Australia isn't as tight on speeding
as we are over here.

They've cameras, handheld radar, and *large* fines for as little as 5%
over the limit. Plus, A$1000 fines for posessing a radar detector, and
automatic disqualification for speeds over 130Kph.

Fair dinkum.

 

snip


That's not how I read it,
““speed assessment equipment detection device” means a


device the purpose, or one of the purposes, of which is


to detect, or interfere with the operation of, equipment


used to assess the speed of motor vehicles.”



They are talking radar/laser detectors and jammers.

A PDA or similar, in no way "detects or interferes with" anything.

 

Indeed, as my brother will attest.

Fair play though, they got his stolen car back in 48 hours by pulling over
the "fucking druggie abbo's" that nicked it.

 

When they brought in a ban on automatic rifles several years ago, my brother
took great delight in informing me that for several weeks there was a huge
surge in the number of reported thefts of said weapons from their owners.

Completely coincidentally, there was a sudden nationwide shortage of:
Large bore drainpipe sections.
Watertight endcaps for said pipes.
Shovels.
GPS receivers.

I wonder what that could mean...?

 

Heavily armed squirrels.