New Moto2 rules published

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Racing' started by just bob, Dec 12, 2008.

  1. just bob

    just bob Guest

    just bob, Dec 12, 2008
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  2. just bob

    Julian Bond Guest

    How likely is it that by 2011 (or 2012), road going 600s will already
    have
    - Oval throttle bodies
    - Dual butterflies
    - Variable length inlet trumpets
    - Traction control
    - Launch control
    - A real 17k rev limit
    - It's also not inconceivable they'll have 16.5" wheels so Bridgestone
    and Pirelli can jack the price of a pack of three sticky tyres again.
    Specifically so they can win in WSS600

    In which case the base engine specs on this class will be below what you
    and I can buy from the showroom. If there's any showrooms left.

    But, and it's a big but, MotoGP2 appears to allow a free camshaft and no
    restrictions that would limit cylinder head design and compression
    ratio. So they could potentially be quite a bit faster than WSS600 even
    before you get to the completely free chassis components. Is 3/4 of
    MotoGP type power possible within this rule set? 165-170 hp?
     
    Julian Bond, Dec 12, 2008
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  3. just bob

    Julian Bond Guest

    Yeah, but the point is that they're outlawing technology that might
    easily be on production machines in the showroom by the time the series
    starts. We've seen some of this stuff on 1000s this year[1]. It's not a
    huge leap that we'll see that and the rest on 600s by 2011.
    Take a 2009 R6, and tune it as high as it will go without going to
    titanium rods. You can increase compression, flow the head, use any cam
    profile you can get away with, fit bigger valves. What horsepower is
    achievable in a race bike? More than WSS600, but how much more? If
    WSS600 is making 140-145 now, 155 should be possible.

    [1]
    - Twin butterflies. Suzuki
    - Variable length trumpets. Yamaha
    - Traction control. Kawasaki and Ducati, Alternate maps, Suzuki
    - Oval inlets. Ducati.
    - 17k rev limit (marketing, 16.5 real). Yamaha
     
    Julian Bond, Dec 12, 2008
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    hackleton Guest

    What will the racing be like? Surely that is the only question that
    counts.

    At present, 250's and 125's have a very clear "ranking" in relation to
    each other and to MotoGP. Is MotoGP2 going to provide that distinct
    weight/handling/agility mix that generates such thrilling fights in
    the 250 class?

    I'm no engineer at all, and I have trouble visualizing, say, a "budget-
    design" 4-cylinder 600 as a distinct racing beast as related to MotoGP
    and 125.
    Nor am I an economist, and I can't imagine the big factories pouring
    resources into relatively low-tech steel pieces that anyone can claim.

    The F1 grand prix crisis has been about money only, whereas I thought
    the 250 class problem was purely external politics/regulation about
    two-stroke smoke. If the FIM want only to be rid of two-strokes, for
    heavens sake don't throw away the excitement too. The 250 class has
    been a huge huge contributor to the popularity of motorcycle racing,
    and of course has been the ESSENTIAL (very few exceptions) ladder into
    MotoGP.

    What will the racing be like?
     
    hackleton, Dec 13, 2008
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  5. just bob

    hackleton Guest

    Ouch! So my heat of the moment grouch about the new class was not
    sound. Let's wait and see who's willing to build the motors (do you
    think there will ever be three different configurations?), who buys
    them, who funds strong-enough teams. And yes, WSS has seen some
    stupendous racing.

    Meanwhile I shall have to get back at SOMEONE on this ng, just to re-
    channel your kicking! ;-)
     
    hackleton, Dec 14, 2008
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  6. just bob

    T3 Guest

    Sniff, sniff, eh, stinky bait and way too easy. Heh, sorta' like you...
     
    T3, Dec 15, 2008
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