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I'll have a stab, because Nev is right

From the ARR page on the NSW RTA site :

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/rulesregulations/downloads/roadraustr_dl1.html


141 No overtaking etc to the left of a vehicle

(1) A driver (except the rider of a bicycle) must not overtake a
vehicle to the left of the vehicle unless:

(a) the driver is driving on a multi-lane road and the vehicle
can be safely overtaken in a marked lane to the left of the
vehicle; or
(b) the vehicle is turning


Tricky to find, this stuff on the internerd


cheers
boky

 

Going on the length of your reply and the height of the horse you're
half-hanging off of (being far too inept to actually manage to mount it
cleanly) while trying your best to paint yourself as a sanctimoniuos
fuckwit, the opposite would appear to be the case.

That vague impression you have of any type of passing on the left being
against the road rules is erronous, and your attempt to dilute the point
when you get called to task from blowing smoke up people's arses as a
means to make yourself appear authoritative is laughable.

Self-important wanker.

 

Back in the days before asphalt, by the sound of...

So, because you were told not to try to squeeze past apparently-right
turning vehicles on single-lane country goat tracks, probably complete
with a foot-deep drainage ditch at each edge and a dry stone wall beyond
hemming in bored-looking cattle, you happily extrapolate the rule up to
a 4-, 6- or 8-lane suburban arterial along which someone might be
hogging the rightmost lane?

 

Hello, IK!
You wrote on Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:36:27 +1100:

I> MickK wrote:
??>>
??>> however, some things in life you just
??>> remember and don't need to spend your
??>> precious time searching the net for
??>> something you know to be true just
??>> because some asshole says "show me
??>> the quote". If they don't want to believe
??>> it, so what, who gives a shit let them
??>> try and find it, I'm not wasting my time
??>> for them.

I> Going on the length of your reply and the height of the horse you're
I> half-hanging off of (being far too inept to actually manage to mount it
I> cleanly) while trying your best to paint yourself as a sanctimoniuos
I> fuckwit, the opposite would appear to be the case.

I> That vague impression you have of any type of passing on the left being
I> against the road rules is erronous, and your attempt to dilute the point
I> when you get called to task from blowing smoke up people's arses as a
I> means to make yourself appear authoritative is laughable.

I> Self-important wanker.

Ho-hum, guess every newsgroup has one. If you are going to bignote yourself, at least learn to spell first. Welcome to my kill file. PLONK!

Mick

 

I should have known it. It's a conspiracy. There is an offline database of
secret traffic laws which they government won't let us see.

I never implied that you should prove anything. I was just pointing out the
ridiculousness of asking Iain to prove that something _doesn't_ exist.

When you move into the left lane.

Nev..
'03 ZX12R

 

Hello, Darren!
You wrote on Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:35:19 +1100:

DB> On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 12:24:43 +1100, Iain Chalmers

N>>>> BZZZTT... if you are in your lane and the other vehicle is in their
N>>>> lane it's not called overtaking.. its called driving in your lane,
N>>>> regardless which side you're on.
??>>>
N>>>> Nev..
N>>>> '03 ZX12R
??>>>
??>>> Sorry Nev, I believe you are wrong on this one.
??>>
??>> Care to link to a rule which backs you up?

DB> I'll have a stab, because Nev is right

DB> From the ARR page on the NSW RTA site :

DB> http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/rulesregulations/downloads/roadraustr_dl1.html

DB> 141 No overtaking etc to the left of a vehicle

DB> (1) A driver (except the rider of a bicycle) must not overtake a
DB> vehicle to the left of the vehicle unless:

DB> (a) the driver is driving on a multi-lane road and the vehicle
DB> can be safely overtaken in a marked lane to the left of the
DB> vehicle; or
DB> (b) the vehicle is turning

DB> Tricky to find, this stuff on the internerd

DB> cheers
DB> boky

Thanks Darren. I'll assume Victoria has the same multi-lane rules. I wonder why they don't further define (b) as turning right?

Mick

 

Hello, Nev..!
You wrote on Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:55:33 +1100:

N> I should have known it. It's a conspiracy. There is an offline
N> database of secret traffic laws which they government won't let us see.

We weren't only talking about traffic laws.

??>>>> I could ask you to do the same (prove it), however, it would be
??>>>> pointless as I don't believe you would find the actual rule I am
??>>>> talking about.
??>>
N>>> LOL !!! That is the best attempt at proving one's case that I've
N>>> heard this year. "The rule I'm talking about exists, but don't bother
N>>> looking because you won't find it." With slight modification you
N>>> could have lived forever in the internet by creating MickK's Corollary
N>>> to Godwin's Law "The rule I'm talking about exists but don't bother
N>>> looking for it because the Nazis obliterated it as part of their
N>>> scorched earth policy"
??>>
??>> But I don't have to prove my case because I am not trying to prove
??>> anything.

N> I never implied that you should prove anything.

Then I misread your first line above.

N> I was just pointing out the ridiculousness of asking Iain to prove
N> that something _doesn't_ exist.

Of course it exists. Darren even found it on the net. It cleared up the issue quite effectively I believe.

N>>> Yes of course they ping you for overtaking on the left, if you
N>>> overtook someone on the left while lane splitting, but we're not
N>>> talking about lane splitting, we're discussing driving down the road
N>>> in your own lane and moving past another vehicle which is travelling
N>>> down the road in it's own lane to the right of your lane.
??>>
??>> I realise this. I do it myself, however, it doesn't make it right or
??>> legal just because many people do it. When you overtake someone on
??>> the right, you normally move out of your lane and into another to do
??>> it. When you overtake someone on the left (assuming there is another
??>> lane to the left of you), you move out of your lane and into the left
??>> one to do it. My point is overtaking on the left is illegal AFAIK.
??>> When does it cease being overtaking and become moving in the left
??>> lane?

N> When you move into the left lane.

Darren answered that one (well, at least for NSW anyhow) and yes, I was wrong about multi-lanes. I have no problem in admitting that.


Mick

 

Huh? Yup, IK spellled erroneous erroneously. Bad IK, that negates your
entire argument.

MickKKKK, you've got it wrong. You can pass anybody in the left lane of a
multi-lane road anywhere in OZ, legally.

Theo

 

Boky wrote

Stunned silence from MickK!
Sounds of Boky whistling softly.
Sounds of IK rolling about the floor.

Theo

 

In aus.motorcycles on Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:30:46 +1100

I still bet that there was no way he was able to pass on the right of
one car without crossing the line and passing on the left of another.

Just for you...

From the NSW version of the Australian ROad Rules:


141 No overtaking etc to the left of a vehicle
(1) A driver (except the rider of a bicycle) must not overtake a
vehicle to the left of the vehicle unless:
(a) the driver is driving on a multi-lane road and the vehicle
can be safely overtaken in a marked lane to the left of
the vehicle; or
(b) the vehicle is turning right, or making a U­turn from the
centre of the road, and is giving a right change of direction
signal.

I think that's pretty clear.


Zebee

 

One what? One pompous arsehole who tries to go all blustery when his
fount-of-all-knowledge act gets laughed at, and who makes a big show of
killfiling people?

Guess it's your turn to fill that position here.

 

Well I do apologise then, because when we were discussing traffic laws and
where to find traffic laws on the internet I had no idea that we were in fact
discussing the location of top secret ASIO regulations regarding interrogation
techniques to be used on suspected terrorists.

BZZZTT... No he didn't. I did. In my very first response to you.

Nev..
'03 ZX12R

 

Worse, actually... a play at rapid moving-on of the discussion liberally
sprinkled with the artificial sweetener of excessive civility.

Come now, Theo... I accept my little victories with a bit more decorum
than that.

 

Zachery! I just spent 20secs on google for the link that doesn't
exist....


cheers
boky

 

Hello, Theo!
You wrote on Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:13:49 +0800:

TB> MickK wrote:
??>> Hello, IK!
??>> You wrote on Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:36:27 +1100:

??>>> That vague impression you have of any type of passing on the left
??>>> being against the road rules is erronous, and your attempt to dilute
??>>> the point when you get called to task from blowing smoke up people's
??>>> arses as a means to make yourself appear authoritative is laughable.

??>>> Self-important wanker.

??>> Ho-hum, guess every newsgroup has one. If you are going to bignote
??>> yourself, at least learn to spell first. Welcome to my kill file.
??>> PLONK!

TB> Huh? Yup, IK spellled erroneous erroneously. Bad IK, that negates your
TB> entire argument.

LOL, it wasn't erroneous.

TB> MickKKKK, you've got it wrong. You can pass anybody in the left lane of
TB> a multi-lane road anywhere in OZ, legally.

So I have since learnt. Thanks.



Mick
FmxAustralia.Com Motorcycle Accessories
shop.fmxaustralia.com

 

Hello, Nev..!
You wrote on Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:28:25 +1100:

N> MickK wrote:
??>>
??>> Hello, Nev..!
??>> You wrote on Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:55:33 +1100:
??>>
N>>> I should have known it. It's a conspiracy. There is an offline
N>>> database of secret traffic laws which they government won't let us
N>>> see.
??>>
??>> We weren't only talking about traffic laws.

N> Well I do apologise then, because when we were discussing traffic laws
N> and where to find traffic laws on the internet I had no idea that we
N> were in fact discussing the location of top secret ASIO regulations
N> regarding interrogation techniques to be used on suspected terrorists.

Well, you did imply that most Govt leg can be found on the net. I simply pointed out this wasn't true. Your forgiven.

??>>>> When does it cease being overtaking and become moving in the left
??>>>> lane?
??>>
N >>> When you move into the left lane.
??>>
??>> Darren answered that one

N> BZZZTT... No he didn't. I did. In my very first response to you.

Your very first response was:

N> BZZZTT... if you are in your lane and the other vehicle is in their lane it's
N> not called overtaking.. its called driving in your lane, regardless which side
N> you're on.

Not quite the same as Darrens post, but I get you what you meant.

Honestly, I am still not 100% convinced as I have read back through the posts and realised everyone didn't quite get what I meant. I am not talking about travelling in your own lane. As I said in a previous post, we all do it and it is accepted (and as Darren pointed out - legal). What I am talking about is pulling out from behind a truck/car or whatever and overtaking it and pulling back in front of it somewhere up the line (like you would do in a bus/transit lane) only using the left lane instead of the right. If I did this using the right oncoming lane, it would be considered overtaking. Why isn't it considered overtaking when I use the left? Does the word _overtaking_ have something to do with the lane being oncoming? Does that make sense?


Mick

 

Its called "driving in the right hand lane behind another vehicle. Changing
lanes. Driving in the left lane next to a vehicle in the right lane.
Changing lanes. Driving in the right lane ahead of another vehicle. All
perfectly legal activities.

Roads have evolved since the term "overtaking" was coined.

Nev..
'03 ZX12R

 

In aus.motorcycles on Thu, 30 Dec 2004 19:42:42 +1100

Are you sure about that?

Can you tell me what www.austlii.edu.au and www.scaleplus.law.gov.au
are missing so that there's more missing than there is on those two
sites?

Zebee

 

While that is true in the most literal sense, I think you've dropped the
pass there sunshine:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_fiber
http://www.risq.qc.ca/reseau/fiches/fiches_details.php?LANG=EN&F=fibre_noire
http://www.interoute.com/products_metrodarkfibre.html

JL

 

Hello, Zebee!
You wrote on Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:41:06 GMT:

ZJ> In aus.motorcycles on Thu, 30 Dec 2004 19:42:42 +1100
??>>
??>> Well, you did imply that most Govt leg can be found on the net. I
??>> simply pointed out this wasn't true. Your forgiven.
??>>
ZJ> Are you sure about that?

ZJ> Can you tell me what www.austlii.edu.au and www.scaleplus.law.gov.au
ZJ> are missing so that there's more missing than there is on those two
ZJ> sites?

ZJ> Zebee

I used legislation as an example Zeebee. The implication was far wider than that.

Mick