Need info-- Mikuni carb Yamaha 250 Blaster

Discussion in 'Motorbike Technical Discussion' started by JohnF, Sep 26, 2005.

  1. JohnF

    JohnF Guest

    I'm trying to help repair a Mikuni carb from a 250 Blaster by phone. I
    need a diagram of the carb to figure out what he is referring to when
    we talk. Any online exploded views out there anywhere? I haven't found
    one so far.

    JohnF
     
    JohnF, Sep 26, 2005
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  2. JohnF

    JohnF Guest

    I should have added that this has some sort of casting on top of the
    carb with electronics attached. One of the things I need to find out
    is if these have some kind of internal device that stops fuel flow in
    some manner. He gets no fuel to the float bowl and says there is some
    sort of tube from the opposite side on the fuel inlet running to a
    case someplace and he can see what appears to be a torx screw down
    inside the fuel inlet. I'm not familiar with what-ever they have done
    to carbs since my newest bike is an '85 and, relatively, simple.

    I don't know what year this is either, it's a blue one and he says
    there is no tag on the steering head.

    TIA

    JohnF
     
    JohnF, Sep 26, 2005
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  3. I looked at the fiche for a 200cc Blaster and it has the throttle
    position switch you describe. Apparently the throttle cable operates a
    cable sector inside the case and the sector operates a switch that's
    part of the emissions control system. Maybe it controls electronic
    spark advance?

    Tell him to trace out the wiring and see if it goes to an electronic
    engine control unit.
    The "case" is probably a charcoal canister that's part of the
    evaporative control system. The canister stores gasoline fumes when the
    engine isn't running. The line your friend saw is probably the canister
    purge hose that sucks gasoline fumes out of the canister when the
    engine is started.

    I recommend that your friend looks for a vacuum hose routing diagram
    which may be underneath the seat or under a side cover to see what kind
    of emissions control equipment has been installed on his machine.

    An aftermarket repair manual would be a good source of info, too...
     
    krusty kritter, Sep 26, 2005
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  4. JohnF

    JohnF Guest

    Does the fiche show any type of fuel flow shut-off inside the carb? I
    found some photos on EBay and the carb looks stock except for the
    black (alum colored) box on the top. He has no apparent fuel to the
    bowl and can't blow through the supply tube into the bowl. I ain't
    there and he knows just enough to be dangerous.

    JohnF
     
    JohnF, Sep 26, 2005
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  5. You can register to look at the fiche I looked at on
    www.partsfish.com...

    The fiche I looked at was for a 200cc Blaster, but it was just the
    typical Mikuni VM slide valve carburetor that has been around since the
    1960's.

    I can't imagine Yamaha getting Mikuni to redesign the carb itself for a
    fuel shutoff to meet EPA emissions requirements. I can imagine that
    throttle position switch working with a power valve on a 2-stroke
    engine, or controlling the ignition advance curve though...

    The carb I looked at has a float and a float valve. If you let an
    engine sit long enough for the fuel to evaporate out of the float bowl,
    the gasoline will turn into gum and varnish and the gum will make the
    float valve stick. Usually it sticks in the low position and the float
    bowl overflows until the gum dissolves. But, I have see the float valve
    stick in the up position, blocking fuel flow completely. Some carbs do
    have little filters above the float valve seat, so your friend might
    have seen something to do with the
    filter. That thing that he thinks looks like a torx fastener may have
    something to do with the float valve or a filter.
     
    krusty kritter, Sep 27, 2005
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  6. JohnF

    IRONDOG Guest

    Go here: http://www.yamaha-motor.com/sport/parts/home.aspx No need to
    register and much more complete. The
    device you are referring to is a Yamaha feature called TORS, or throttle
    overide system. It kills the engine if the slide does not return
    properly when the throttle is released. There is no electric fuel
    shutoff on a Blaster.
    Jerry
     
    IRONDOG, Sep 27, 2005
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  7. JohnF

    JohnF Guest

    I've had him do all the standard stuff to check for blockages. He had
    the carb off and the bowl taken down to clean the fuzzzys out of the
    jets. I had him spray Berrymans down the fuel line to see if it was
    flowing at all but it wasn't. I looked at the Yamaha page and the carb
    looks just like any other Mikuni since dirt so I have to assume there
    is something in the float needle (small bird or the like) stopping the
    flow. I'll be there tomorrow so I'll take a look.

    Thanks for the help everybody.

    JohnF
     
    JohnF, Sep 29, 2005
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