My Lane Splitting rule submission #1

Discussion in 'Australian Motorcycles' started by Iain Chalmers, Jan 19, 2006.

  1. (Note: If you're going to make a submission, pull your finger out, they're
    due in by tomorrow... big)

    I'm writing in regards to the proposal in section 4.34 of the ARR
    Amendments.

    I'm concerned about reasoning behind the need for this proposed new rule.

    The proposal opens by saying 'It is a common practice for motor bike riders
    to "split lanes"', but further on in the Costs section it says 'it is not
    possible to estimate how many motor bike riders currently split lanes'.
    While the second statement shows the first is only an assumption, it's also
    clearly wrong. There are many ways one could use to come up with a
    supportable estimate of how many riders split lanes. The RTA in NSW run a
    large network of traffic monitoring cameras, a study of these cameras could
    easily be organised to provide a good estimate. The resources required to
    conduct such a study would be well worthwhile investing before passing laws
    based only on assumptions.

    The proposal mentions Australian Road Rule rule 140, but then confuses the
    safety of an overtaking maneuver with whether or not a rider 'moves
    completely into an adjacent lane'. Rule 140 says 'A driver must not
    overtake a vehicle unless ... the driver can safely overtake the vehicle.',
    so if an overtaking maneuver in the same lane is unsafe, then its already
    covered by rule 140, and if its not covered by rule 140, then by definition
    it is safe.

    The proposal then goes on to say that splitting lanes is an inherently
    dangerous practice, but in the in next paragraph contradicts itself by
    saying 'If it is safe, a motorbike may pass another motorbike in the same
    lane.' The proposal clearly recognises that there are some situations where
    a motorcycle can safely pass another motorcycle in the same lane, without
    considering that there are times where a motorcycle can safely overtake a
    car in the same lane.

    The proposal fails to identify a problem that is not already dealt with by
    existing rules. The justification for this new rule is based on a
    contradiction, a failure to take into account existing rules, an
    assumption, and an admission of the proposals authors inability to think of
    a way to test that assumption. The implications of this lack of rigour on
    the proposals assessments of the impacts, costs, and benefits are not
    comforting.

    I'm particularly dubious about the claimed benefits of this proposed new
    rule.

    There are no safety benefits attributable to this proposed rule that are
    not already completely gained by Rule 140. There can be no additional
    reduction in crash risk or road trauma gained by this rule, since there can
    be neither crashes nor road trauma if riders overtake safely, as already
    required. If there is a safety issue (and the proposal has not identified
    one), then enforcement of rule 140 will solve it. If there is no safety
    issue, then there's no possible safety benefit from this new rule.

    The only remaining benefit claimed by the proposal is that it will achieve
    'a cohesive set of rules'. Adding 'special case' rules for motorcycles will
    actually reduce the 'cohesion of the rules', especially since the new rule
    proposal is so badly worded that it seems to intend to make fairly common
    situations different for motorcycles and cars - does it really intend, for
    example, to make it illegal for a motorcycle to pass a slow moving garbage
    truck on an un-lane-marked street where rule 133 and 140 explicitly allow
    other vehicles to do so?

    Since the basis for proposing this new rule is completely unfounded, and
    the claimed benefits cannot possibly be achieved, its clear the proposal is
    entirely without merit.

    regards,

    Iain Chalmers
     
    Iain Chalmers, Jan 19, 2006
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    alx Guest

    Good submission Ian..

    "cohesive" rules...


    Do the Rule Changes contemplate also banning cars from overtaking
    motorcycles in the same lane?

    Is this situation covered already?
     
    alx, Jan 19, 2006
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  3. Existing rules #133 and 139 explicitly allow that.

    big
     
    Iain Chalmers, Jan 19, 2006
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  4. Iain Chalmers

    alx Guest

    So why can a CAR overtake a motorcycle but a MOTORCYCLE cannot overtake a
    CAR?
     
    alx, Jan 19, 2006
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  5. Iain Chalmers

    Theo Bekkers Guest

    Because the people who make the rules drive cars.

    Theo
     
    Theo Bekkers, Jan 19, 2006
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  6. Iain Chalmers

    alx Guest

    bugga! No one told me this before! Selling the bike tomorrow.
     
    alx, Jan 19, 2006
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  7. Iain Chalmers

    Knobdoodle Guest

    Iain,
    I haven't read much of this thread but I read your #1 and #2 submissions
    today at work and I have to say fucking "bravo"! You nailed it!
    Well done sir.
     
    Knobdoodle, Jan 20, 2006
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  8. Iain Chalmers

    Mick Guest

    Mick, Jan 25, 2006
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  9. Well, it's a well-reasoned paper and it's good that they've done it but
    will reason help? A stated aim of the proposal (in ADDITION to reducing
    accidents) is:

    " The benefits are to achieve a cohesive set of rules that reflect
    community needs and expectations, which will assist in reducing road
    trauma. "

    In this context "road trauma" can only mean the jealousy experienced by
    car drivers stuck in queues when a motorcycle filters past them, or the
    fear or panic induced in an inattentive driver when a lane-splitting
    rider appears from nowhere. Accordingly, we aren't dealing with reason
    here, and being reasonable, logical and factual won't help. Being
    emotional won't help either, of course.

    What will help is organising political muscle. Write to your MP (both
    Federal and State), and bug the spots off Brendan Nelson (he rides a
    bike and Defence is pretty high up the Cabinet tree). I know road
    safety is a State rather than Commonwealth responsibility, but the
    Commonwealth still carries a big funding stick.

    And we might need to be careful with our rhetoric about lane splitting
    too. It is OBVIOUSLY more dangerous than filtering, so disputing that
    simply makes motorcycle riders look like they are oblivious to the
    perceptions of other road users, which doesn't help anything. I'd be
    inclined to hammer the traffic virtues of lane filtering, and let the
    lane splitting branch die with the rest of the tree.


    Cheers

    Andrew

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    Andrew McKenna, Jan 25, 2006
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  10. Iain Chalmers

    sanbar Guest

    I dunno about this one. I've seen some cars swerve violently when they
    catch sight of a motorcycle in the wing mirror, which in itself could be
    a safety hazard if the car crosses too far to the opposite side of the
    lane. Not to mention if there was a bike splitting the opposite side;
    the gap does close quickly at times, as I've found.
    That said, the most motorcycle-friendly road users IMHO appears to be
    the truck drivers. Quite a few go out of their way to make room.
    However, I'm not sure as to if this is out of courtesy or fear of "road
    trauma".
    When it comes down to it, I can't see splitting being more dangerous
    than a fast-moving, lane-cutting P-plater in a car in heavy traffic[1].

    - sanbar

    --
    [1] Why, just today there was this fast-moving, lane-cutting P-plater in
    heavy traffic that wanted to borrow the road space I was in. Isn't that
    a coincidence ...
    1985 BMW K100RT|2004 Honda NT650V Deauville
    http://antifsck.dyndns.org
     
    sanbar, Jan 25, 2006
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  11. Well, I gave them my two cents worth. It hasn't appeared yet but may be
    they check them for appropriate content first (yes, I have registered).
    If and when it does appear it will be No 199, so we've got until 4
    February to get more in.

    Cheers

    Andrew

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    Andrew McKenna, Jan 25, 2006
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  12. sanbar wrote:

    <---snip--->

    Yes, you're right, particularly if the lane splitting riders are a posse
    of young men on Harleys. Car drivers can be erratic enough without the
    additional hazard of loud noises.

    I wasn't really trying to defend lane splitting, I just took offence at
    the deceitful way the aims of the the proposed changes were stated. If
    the traffic is moving at 20kph or less then it's filtering, not
    splitting, in my view. Lane splitting at speed is much more dangerous
    than filtering. You may be right that it's no more dangerous than a
    "fast-moving, lane cutting P-plater in a car in heavy traffic", but
    everyone knows he's an idiot racing towards an accident. Where does
    that leave lane splitting?
     
    Andrew McKenna, Jan 25, 2006
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  13. In aus.motorcycles on Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:47:54 GMT
    be more than that - there's at least 3 I know of - including the MCC
    one - that are not on that list.

    Zebee
     
    Zebee Johnstone, Jan 25, 2006
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  14. Iain Chalmers

    sanbar Guest

    FWIW, mine's in, but not yet on the list.
    - sanbar
     
    sanbar, Jan 26, 2006
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  15. Iain Chalmers

    Nev.. Guest

    Why ?

    Nev..
    '04 CBR1100XX
     
    Nev.., Jan 27, 2006
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  16. Iain Chalmers

    Knobdoodle Guest

    Cause the cars are moving.
    Much easier for a moving vehicle to do something erratic and unexpected
    than a stopped one.
    Clem
    (Puts forth 10c and gets 8c change)
     
    Knobdoodle, Jan 27, 2006
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  17. You got a bargain there...
    But please stop with this LOGICAL thinking in here, its scarey.
     
    Biggus La Great., Jan 27, 2006
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  18. Iain Chalmers

    Nev.. Guest

    Good to see we agree... but the lane splitting risk is not presented by
    the stopped traffic either side of the 'motorcycle lane'. The greater
    risk is presented not from those cars which you can observe for signs of
    impending or unexpected behaviours (and you're constantly scanning the
    cars ahead for that), but from those you cannot observe, i.e. vehicles
    which are turning across the path of the traffic into or out of
    driveways or side streets which present a T-boning risk to the lane
    splitter. The faster moving the traffic, the lower this risk becomes.

    Nev..
    '04 CBR1100XX
     
    Nev.., Jan 27, 2006
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  19. Iain Chalmers

    Knobdoodle Guest

    Yes I agree that these types of crashes are quite common among
    inexperienced riders (and drivers). They are quite simple to see and avoid
    once you know to look for them though.
    Clem
     
    Knobdoodle, Jan 27, 2006
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  20. Iain Chalmers

    Nev.. Guest

    Lane splitting accidents are common? I can't agree with that.

    Nev..
    '04 CBR1100XX
     
    Nev.., Jan 27, 2006
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