my cage parking ticket

This is a reply to the issuance of a parking ticket I got last week. What
are the odds of getting off, considering that 1: all the facts listed are
true, and 2: it's Croydon council?
Any reasonable suggestions of alterations will be appreciated, any
unreasonable ones should as is customary be abusive and/or amusing.



The supervisor,
03/03/04

I was recently (23rd February 2004) issued with a Penalty Charge Notice for
parking on a single yellow line in WANDLE ROAD, Croydon. (MY REGISTRATION
HERE) The ticket reference number is CR96457610, and was issued by parking
officer 253.

The "Observation Start" section is completed as 1955hrs, and the ticket was
allegedly issued at 2100hrs. The offence code is marked as "01" which on the
reverse states is "Parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours".

Firstly I would like to point out that I did not leave my place of work in
Penge until 2005hrs at the earliest, a fact which may be confirmed by other
police officers with whom I work. When this is taken into consideration,
along with the temporary traffic lights in South Norwood due to the
roadworks, I believe even Einstein himself could not have provided a reason
as to how I was able to arrive in Croydon ten whole minutes BEFORE I left
Penge on a 25 minute long journey!

Having had a conversation with Mr Rice on the 26th (whose supervisor never
telephoned me back) I was informed that a "Restricted street sign" need not
be in place in the actual street, as long as it was in "the zone". This may
be the case, but until a sign is shown to me in "the zone" I will still
rebuke the validity of this ticket based on the fact that there are NO signs
in the area displaying any kind of parking restrictions other than for the
parking in bays.

Should you wish to leave your warm office and check for yourselves, the only
way into the place in which I was parked is from the High Street via Laud
Road. (MAP) When following this route, there are no signs whatsoever
relating to any parking restrictions. Perhaps there once were, but there are
no signs there now and as long as I have lived in South Croydon there never
have been.

I would appreciate being contacted regarding the total inexusabilities of
not only the flagrant lies/total incompetency of your parking officer but
also the grounds for the issuing of this unlawful ticket causing a total
waste of my time.

I am making a video tomorrow of the route into Wandle Road, proving that
there are no parking restrictions displayed. I also expect a letter of
apology from yourselves for my wasted time including a withdrawal of the
ticket.

I would also like to point out there are no instructions on the ticket
stating how to challenge it's lawfulness, which no doubt countless wish to
do if this is the ridiculous way in which you allow your employees to
operate.

You may contact me on the number listed above, and you are more than welcome
to come round for a cup of tea to discuss the matter and view the video.

 

In uk.rec.motorcycles, Filth said:

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I tried the "not in prescribed hours" thing. I got issued a ticket at
7.30 am and restrictions don't come into force until 8.30 in my road.

I phoned them and complained about it. Do you know what she said? No, of
course you don't; she said words to the effect of " I've looked at the
parking attendants notes and you were parked on a double yellow line"

I moaned about the fact that this was unfair as a yellow line isn't
parked during prescribed hours so she cut the fine from £80 to £40 but I
still had to pay after she said <paraphrase> "there's **** all you can
do"

 

This is a reply to the issuance of a parking ticket I got last week.

But by being on a single yellow line at 9pm when there are no signs saying
that the usual restrictions don't apply should mean I get off, right? (That
coupled with the fact that the traffic warden twat made a mistake on the
ticket).

 

In uk.rec.motorcycles, Filth said:

It's worth a try mate, but my point is they can say what they like and
unless you have the ways and means to prove otherwise, you're stuffed.

If saving 40 or 50 quid means that much to you then go for it, but after
much long and bitter experience I just end up paying the bloody things
now; it's just a lot less hassle in the long run IMO.

 

But by being on a single yellow line at 9pm when there are no signs

It's the principle too though. If people like me make a fuss and moan at
them, they *might* put the damn signs up so people in future know not to
park there. I hate the little wankers with a passion, and will take great
pleasure if I get off. I might then sympathise with the next one that gets
nicked for being an illegal entrant... Yeah right.

 

I would push hard to get it dropped, if you are in the right and have proof.
I decided at 9 points I was going to fight the next "spurious" £60 on the spot
fine for anything.

Two weeks ago I was pulled for crossing a double white. 3pts and £60 or court
sir said the copper. See you in court mate says I. But we have you on video
says them. Well your video will show the two kids I swerved to avoid then,
see you in court. Take this caution then NO I'll see you in court!

I am currently waiting to see the reply to my letter to the Chief Constable
along with the photo of their illegally parked car.

I work in HSE so I also asked about their failure to comply with HS regs as
well.

I may still go to court but it will be fun!!

 

But you're a copper. IMO traffic wardens LOVE coppers as they really do
think they are
police you know.
I had 2 turn up in a police car knocking on doors asking who was blocking my
neighbours driveway.
The neighbour couldn't just knock himself because he's a Marty McFly
character ad,
"Just couldn't take that kind of.........confrontation."

 

Just make sure it costs them at least double the fine in admin costs. If you
have the time & inclination going all the way to an actual appeal in person
at their Haymarket offices, it must cost them loads. It's also good fun
arguing the toss in person. Value for money - that's what you want.


Buzby

 

You want a police officer to use his brain?

*boggle*

 

Take two, and call me in the morning?

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Sounds like a new thread soon? Let us know what happens, it's
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But it's because so many people take that attitude that it makes it worth
doing for them and they get away with it. If everyone stood up for
themselves, I don't think *they* would think it was worth the effort.

 

<g> very good.

Anyone else think of that guy, Merlin the trainee lawyer, after reading
this?

 

I'd forgotten about him. Was he trying to get out of a speeding ticket and
did he ever come back and say how he did?

 

I am currently waiting to see the reply to my letter to the Chief

They have to give ya the ticket, then you elect a court appearance.
Unfortunateky, police are legally exempt from parking retrictions, but if
you happen to come across a photo of them being illegally parked when not
doing something work related, i.e going shopping, then by all means suggest
this may find it's way into the newspapers.
The same thing happened with us in Petts Wood, amusingly enough though the
photo was taken after 1830hrs and the single white line was no longer in
force when the two PCs went for their kebab. It still caused a stir and the
prats upstairs issued them with a notice of intended dismissal BEFORE they'd
even checked out the parking restrictions!
It may also be of note that the road markings are always laid out for the
largest vehicles on the road, HGVs and such, so if you were biking it it may
be a reason that it was safe to do so. They may not accept it as an excuse
in a cage though. Come to think of it, what did the copper say and what did
he issue you with? If he knew that you already had 9 points then he should
NOT have issued you with a fixed penalty but filled out a process book
instead IIRC. If he has issued you with a FPN then you may decide that he
has breached police procedures since you *did* tell him that you already had
nine points didn't you? That breach of policy and procedue alone should get
you off

 

It's the principle too though. If people like me make a fuss and

So before arguing it in the first instance I should just wait for the
summons?

 

This is a reply to the issuance of a parking ticket I got last week.

It was late and the first draft, time to re-read... I liked the einstein
bit, but perhaps it should go *sniff*

 

He lost. It was in the papers.

 

In uk.rec.motorcycles, Filth said:

I can only guess you don't get that many parking tickets

It's fair to say (when I'm working) I get about 10 tickets a week. If I
really am delivering / collecting or have a legitimate excuse for being
illegally parked, then I'll send off my sheets / evidence and 9 times
out of ten I'll get off but sometimes it's just not worth the aggro;
Experience tells you what you're likely to get away with and in this
case, IMHO of course, I don't think you've got a cat in hell's chance,
but I am willing to be proved wrong

 

There's a kebab shop in Petts Wood?
Can't say that I ever noticed the bugger. Well there's not one here in Kew
so I suppose I'll have to visit my mum more often when I'm steaming drunk