My 2-stroke don't like the cold

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Robert Irwin, Nov 21, 2005.

  1. Robert Irwin

    Robert Irwin Guest

    Any suggestins for keeping my RXS100 from stalling all the time in the cold
    mornings? It works great above 3 degrees C, but I'm having fun and games in
    heavy commuter traffic stopping it stalling at every opportunity. Teenage
    dirtbiker down the road tells me its a common 2 stroke problem (is it?) but
    not how to fix it. I can just about keep it going by a combination of
    revving the crap out of her and pulling the choke out on the way up to
    junctions.

    Given I've nly been being for 3 weeks this is a bit nervewracking. Mind you
    my kickstart techniques has improved immensely:)

    Have contemplated partially blocking the air intake, maybe gaffa-taping some
    thickish but porous cloth over it or something? Or is that a no-no? Used to
    work on my mk3 escort radiator in winter... Also the battery is permanently
    teeterring on flatness, mainly due to me having the lights on all the time
    in the dark or fog - does that cause stalling too?

    Robert
     
    Robert Irwin, Nov 21, 2005
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  2. Robert Irwin

    Linger Guest

    Put the throttle needle down a couple of notches to make it run a bit
    richer.
    Worked for me in the reverse this summer.
     
    Linger, Nov 21, 2005
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  3. Try increasing the idle speed slightly and increasing the fuel to air
    mixture again only slightly

    your engine revs at idle should be around 1100 to 1200 rpm on a warm engine
     
    Steve Robinson, Nov 21, 2005
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  4. Robert Irwin

    Christofire Guest

    If you're not getting to ride it at any speed for any great period of
    time it could be possible that you're not charging the battery enough
    and the cold weather is making it reluctant to give up what charge it
    has.

    Might be worth sticking the battery on charge then seeing what the bike
    is like with a full battery. It's just a guess though.
     
    Christofire, Nov 21, 2005
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  5. Robert Irwin

    Eiron Guest

    Lift the needle up a bit to make it richer.
    Lower the needle to make a hole in the piston crown.
     
    Eiron, Nov 21, 2005
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  6. Robert Irwin

    Linger Guest

    Well mine was running so rich that I was going through spark plugs like
    sweets.
    After I adjusted the throttle needle, I've used the same plug for the whole
    year.
     
    Linger, Nov 21, 2005
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  7. YTTTC.

    As Eiron says, that makes it run *leaner*.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Nov 21, 2005
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  8. That's not a bad idea. Those 6v systems are marginal at best. I remember
    with my old CD175, when the battery got tired, if I put the brake lights
    on, with the engine at tickover, it conked out :-/
     
    The Older Gentleman, Nov 21, 2005
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  9. Robert Irwin

    Linger Guest

    Oh yeah. Oh well. Well the needle needs to be moved to make it run richer.
     
    Linger, Nov 21, 2005
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  10. Robert Irwin

    Eatmorepies Guest

    :
    A common mistake. I suppose people mean to say something like ' put the
    circlip on the needle down a notch or two'.

    John
     
    Eatmorepies, Nov 21, 2005
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  11. Robert Irwin

    Lozzo Guest

    Linger said...
    I've found that every time I've moved a needle on any 2-stroke[1] it
    fucks up the power output and/or power delivery. Leave it where the
    factory specs says it should be.

    Those Japs know what they're doing when they build bikes, best leave the
    carb alone and start looking for the real fault. I reckon Christofire
    got it smack on with his duff battery diagnosis.

    [1] I've played about with a few in my time.
     
    Lozzo, Nov 21, 2005
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  12. Robert Irwin

    Linger Guest

    That's what I did. Mine has a summer and winter setting. It was on niether
    as the previous owner had fitted a loud can.
    Ah so. Mine's a KTM
     
    Linger, Nov 21, 2005
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  13. Robert Irwin

    Linger Guest

    Swat I meant.
     
    Linger, Nov 21, 2005
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    sweller Guest

    6v systems aren't bad just they're more susceptible to current drops than
    12v (curse you, physics).

    IME with MZs dirty connections cause random stalling, clean the battery
    terminal and earthing points.
     
    sweller, Nov 22, 2005
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  15. Robert Irwin

    Jb Guest

    Are they prone to carb icing by any chance?

    Jb
     
    Jb, Nov 22, 2005
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  16. Robert Irwin

    sweller Guest

    Are what prone to carb icing?
     
    sweller, Nov 22, 2005
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  17. Robert Irwin

    Pip Luscher Guest

    The following is mostly IIRC:

    Those RXS100s are electrically similar to the older RS100s, which are
    similar to early DT125s. The ignition is an energy transfer system (I
    think that's what it's called) that runs off its own coil. The rest of
    the electrical system has a separate coil; the headlight runs directly
    off AC and the battery only powers the tail, brake and indicator
    lights.

    The rectifier is a single diode (half-wave). The only regulation
    present is a ballast resistor for when the headlight's off, and the
    battery itself. Don't *think* there's a Zener in the circuit.
     
    Pip Luscher, Nov 23, 2005
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  18. Robert Irwin

    Pip Luscher Guest

    I wouldn't; it shouldn't need that. Apart from anything else, it will
    really richen the full throttle mixture to the detriment of the fuel
    economy, power and plug state.
    More likely a tired battery or electrical fault - ISRT there's a
    ballast resistor for when the headlight's off, so the load would be
    pretty much the same IWHT.
    Shouldn't do.

    Possibly the idle mixture & idle speed need tweaking as has been
    mentioned.

    Does this only happen when you have the clutch pulled in and in gear?
    If so, it could simply be extra clutch drag due to the oil being
    colder and possibly the clutch needing adjusting too. You'd notice
    other symptoms though in that case, such as difficulty in finding
    neutral.
     
    Pip Luscher, Nov 23, 2005
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  19. Robert Irwin

    Pip Luscher Guest

    bad form an' all, but my .sig contains an OMF#. You have been warned.
     
    Pip Luscher, Nov 23, 2005
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  20. Robert Irwin

    Robert Irwin Guest

    I have difficulty finding neutral but I suspect it's just me being crap at
    it :) - and the light not always coming on even when I do find it... Is it
    normal that it is much easier to find neutral if you quickly flick the power
    off at the key then back on again?
     
    Robert Irwin, Nov 23, 2005
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