Multi fettling

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Champ, Jul 6, 2009.

  1. Champ

    Champ Guest

    About 10 days ago (in fact, the Weds before last, when I met Krusty,
    Beelzebub and Brownz at Avebury), my ZX10R had a bit of a problem.
    I'd been hooning around like a typically twat, and finished the
    evening off with a 170mph blast back up the dual carriageway. On
    arriving at my gf's little village, am awful metallic graunching noise
    became apparent. A rear wheel bearing had cried enough. Glad that
    didn't happen on the dual carriageway.

    Anway, the bearing was so fucked that it fell to bits when I tried to
    remove it, so I dropped the wheel at Fraser's as they had the kit to
    grind out the outer cage. I got the wheel back in the week, and also
    had oil and brake pads for the Hayabusa.

    First things first - bearings into wheel, wheel into ZX10R. Nothing
    too demanding, except that fitting a wheel into a swingarm shouldn't
    be that difficult. Is the swing arm *meant* to spring shut by a couple
    of mm when the wheel is out? Andy?

    The the 'busa went on the bench. Which caused it to sway a bit. Oil
    and filter were easy enough, except that once again my chain wrench
    was useless and I had to remove the filter by hammering a screwdriver
    through it.

    And then to the brake pads. No wonder the brakes had been a bit, er,
    sub-optimal for a 200mph bike - when I removed them they floated to
    the floor in gentle arcs. I pumped the pistons out to check they all
    moved, and to clean them up, and two of the buggers (one in each
    caliper) drew the dust seal out with them, and pinched it on the way
    back. Curses. Safe enough for now (it's only the dust seal), but
    needs sorting, and I swore I'd never pull a set of six-pots apart
    again. Anyway, after putting it all back together I took it for a
    blast and crikey - now it has brakes to match the engine. Bendix pads
    - recommended.

    Paging Eddie - check your email, and let me know where I can get a
    pattern seal kit from.

    And today I looked at the tyres on the 'busa. The back one has done
    less than 1000 miles, and is half worn, and the front is worn out.
    Owning several bikes would seem to be expensive.
     
    Champ, Jul 6, 2009
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    Eddie Guest

    Champ wrote:
    Hah-hah.

    The number of times I've said that to myself, and then...

    Still, the garage is full of Brembos now, which are just lovely.
    Done. Although Google Groups would have been quicker...
     
    Eddie, Jul 6, 2009
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  3. Champ

    Andy Bonwick Guest

    snip>
    That doesn't sound right (obviously) and though I could understand it
    a bit if the bike had been outside with the sun beating on one side of
    it yours would have been in the garage so it shouldn't down to thermal
    expansion.

    Check the numbers on the bearings again and then try giving them
    another smack with a hammer to make sure they're all the way in. I'll
    assume you've had the wheel in because you didn't phone and bitch
    about it so you might find that tightening the wheel nut has pulled
    the bearings in that extra millimetre each side.
    I blew some of my hard earned cash on a proper 'socket' and while it
    makes life easier it's still a shit job.
    We've got a spare set of six pots sitting in the garage that you could
    have (1) so you can put new seals in and generally service then you'll
    know that you can just change them over and the bike's on the road
    rather than finding yourself with a set of calipers still in pieces at
    3am.

    I was going to phone and ask which pads you were using on the race
    bike so I can avoid them. I'm going to give the 10R a service before
    we go to the Alps and it's still on its original front pads so I might
    as well just change them as a matter of course.

    I'm aiming to phone Harris today but I might be too late to get the
    plan sorted by the end of August. It was only because I took the 10R
    out yesterday and Adie was quizzing me on whether we'd need new tyres
    before going away that I realised how close it was getting and I'd got
    **** all done.

    (1)They're Adies but if I knock them off the shelf onto her LC she'll
    want rid of them.
     
    Andy Bonwick, Jul 6, 2009
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    Lozzo Guest

    Take it from someone who's had the rear wheel out of a 2004 ZX10R model
    more times than he's had hot dinners - 14 times in one weekend when the
    weather was changeable at Brands. Replacing the wheel is made 10 times
    easier if you drop the caliper off the bracket before removing the
    wheel. Two 6mm Allen-key cap-head screws is all that holds it on and
    you'll save yourself an awful lot of bother when trying to line
    everything up.
     
    Lozzo, Jul 6, 2009
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    ginge Guest

    It's certainly not like that on the 06 model.
     
    ginge, Jul 6, 2009
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    JeremyR Guest

    You probaly wont need it but there is a pretty good guide with (many)
    pictures on how to completely overhaul tokico six pot calipers here. You
    might need to register/login to access it, so don't bother if I have
    insulted your mechanical prowess.

    http://www.gixerjunkies.net/forum/showthread.php?t=71989
     
    JeremyR, Jul 6, 2009
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    Krusty Guest

    I suppose I'd be tempting fate if I pointed out I've managed 37 years
    of bike ownership without ever having to rebuild a caliper. So I'll
    just keep quiet.
     
    Krusty, Jul 6, 2009
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  8. Champ

    Eddie Guest

    I'm sure I could do it blindfold, apart from getting the fluid seals the
    right way round.
     
    Eddie, Jul 6, 2009
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  9. Champ

    SD Guest

    You're not trying to squeeze some POS Avon in there, are you?
     
    SD, Jul 7, 2009
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  10. Champ

    darsy Guest

    I'm probably being thick here, but if it's that tight, how does the
    wheel actually turn?
     
    darsy, Jul 7, 2009
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  11. Champ

    Krusty Guest

    You are.
    Because the swingarm presses on spacers, which in turn press on the
    inner part of the bearings. It would take several tons of pressure to
    deform those bits enough to stop the outer parts of the bearings (&
    therefore the wheel) from turning.
     
    Krusty, Jul 7, 2009
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  12. Champ

    darsy Guest

    it's not unheard of.
    ah. Yes. I see.

    Move along!
     
    darsy, Jul 7, 2009
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  13. Champ

    Krusty Guest

    Is it possible the funky swingarm on Kwackzilla uses slightly larger
    spacers, & you got them mixed up when swapping the shock over?
     
    Krusty, Jul 7, 2009
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    Beav Guest

    Even Christofire's ZX10 didn't do that and he'd twatted the swingarm and
    ground a chunk of it away. They normally spring apart a little (a lot if
    it's an SV650) but I've never known one need opening out.


    --
    Beav

    VN 750
    Zed 1000
    OMF# 19
     
    Beav, Jul 7, 2009
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  15. Champ

    Beav Guest

    Yeah, so would I. I'd guess that the swingarm had taken a hit sometime in
    its life and that could possibly result in a touch of out of alignmentness.


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    Beav

    VN 750
    Zed 1000
    OMF# 19
     
    Beav, Jul 8, 2009
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