[QUOTE="Paul"] Don't tempt fate.[/QUOTE] This is Champ you're talking about...
My realistic view on these things is do something right away, or not at all. If I'm ever (properly) attacked by someone with a knife I'm sure as hell going to try and make sure it ends up in them too. Not least because it'll leave a mark they can be recognised by, which will be good if I don't die. And if I do, well the fun was in trying. It's not all that dissimilar to training dogs really, the reaction needs to happen at the time the problem arises or it's best forgotten.
Funny - I didn't notice me crying when I wrote that. You don't know the first thing, ****. I have no idea what you are trying to say here.
Don't even compare yourself to me, arsewipe. You are a fucking bus-ride away from having a moral code, but you're too stupid to understand. So you knock him around. So his Dad comes to your house and knocks you around. So you go back with some mates and knock him around. When does it stop being justified, in your world?
The Older Gentleman came up with the following;: But an opinion which says a lot about your (good) character. It's also a gesture which might help Jamie see that there _are_ nice people about and that his incident probably is a one-off and he can be big enough to overcome it without doing what I, and others, are suggesting. I honestly hope the scrotes get what's coming to them still, but I hope more that your lad grows and learns from this rather than sinks, even a little, into the thuggery, no matter how we come to terms with it, we've been proposing. Now, given time to reflect a bit more, I think you're doing the right thing in your circumstances.
Andy Bonwick wrote If you were in TOGs shoes it would come as something of a surprise how suddenly moral a lot of your friend become. All you unreconstructed retributionists have all missed the point of this by a mile, it is their mind you want to break not their body. Hurt and they will heal, frighten them and the will crumble.
Andy Bonwick wrote I tried that but something Adie said gave me the impression my help wasn't needed at this time. I feel that a certain amount of bodily harm is entirely appropriate. We are forever being told that the reason they are scrotes is because pain is a part of their learning process. It could be argued that if it ain't broke don't fix it and leave a bruise to mark the lesson over.
Andy Bonwick wrote A certain element of chicken and egg syndrome isn't there though? Confession for past sins is said to be very good for the soul and techniques to enable this should certainly be a part of their education. Whether it is necessary to delay the education process in order for this to happen is a matter open to debate regarding circumstances, I feel.
I really don't have an inkling of answers any more. Even in some areas where people, abandoned to mass murder by the CJS, organised themselves into effective vigilante self protection organisations, said organisations have descended into becoming part of the problem for said communities. Effectively we have anarchy. The law is crafted by minority interest groups. It is implemented only in piecemeal fashion. Speeding down an empty motorway is a more serious offence than kicking some poor kid's head in. Mass murderers and criminals become politicians. The media support and extend said anarchy. All the while freedom of speech, movement and action is being encroached. I have an anarchic mind (1) but I don't think it's a great way to run an entire society. I wonder whether the end result on the street is much if any different to bygone era's though. Was it ever *actually* any better or worse. The saving grace of it all is that through business, politics and (god help us) UKRM I keep meeting bloody nice folk, which is rather nice really. (1) sometimes called entrepreneurial lolol 'Hog