Mugged!

It doesn't take that much 'resolve' to go and give someone a hammering.

 

petrolcan says...

I thought it was a hangover cure.

 

I don't disagree in a number of cases cited but it's the mindless, and
cowardly, revenge and retribution kick from the lazy in thought and deed
I find so tiresome.

 

Agreed about that

'Hog

 

Cool. Their own stupidity saw them nicked in the end. Excellent..

 

It's all a bit of a mine field. The thing is, that this is a problem
that we have all made through giving value to the stuff these bling
hunters want.

Well, I'm not a violent type, it's not in my nature... but I have known
people that were. I believe that sometimes, doing extremely bad things
to other people is ok, but you have to be sure it is the right thing to
do, and be able to handle the results of either outcome.

 

Actually it does. It's easy to get involved when its pushed into your
face, but after the fact, sitting down, thinking, planning, considering
the angles? most people just don't

'Hog

 

On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 21:22:25 +0100,

So do I.

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FFS! When?

JB

 

Sounds more like a knocking shop. Oh, as you were...

One of the masters had a very highly tuned Lambrett. A 250 or something
bored to 315cc he told me. Used to race scooters. Mental thing it was.
JB

 

As a parent I see where you are coming from, but, are you going to
protect your boy all his life?

 

I'll second that.

I wished that I could have smiled at the people that fractured my skull
as they got locked up... but alas it wasn't to be. Sometimes life just
sucks, and you have to move on.

 

I'm not entirely sure how to frame this: Quite simply I don't think I'd
feel any different if it was family. I'd be just as angry if it was a
friend or neighbour as I would if it was 'blood'.

I'd still advocate a non violent and non retributional response.

Before anyone says "but you've not been there" let me say I have and the
reaction was the one I expected.

 

There isn't an answer. You're describing the situation as black and white.
Each of those kids had there own reason and cause of lack of self control to
be involved in the situation just as each of them may or may not feel utter
regret, go on to make other people's lives better in some way as a result or
mercilessly abuse other for their own ends or somewhere in between. Exacting
revenge may or may not have a similarly diverse effect on them, increasing
their alienation, perpetuating the dog-eat-dog mentality or humiliating them
into seeking redememption, or somewhere in between.

You can have no possible idea what effect any retribution would have on
them. The only reason to carry it through would be to make you feel better,
somehow less powerless, less weak. And that obviously points in another
direction than violence.

So my answer TOG is help your son deal with the shitty feeling of impotence
he'll possibly be left with[1] . Help him understand that even if some
righteous retribution was visited upon the weasles it wouldn't necessarily
change anything for the better. Let him see how useful or crappy the police
can be. Give him an idea how exactly revenge could backfire quite badly on
him. In short, make it part of the learning experience and help it make him
a stronger person.

[1] Martial Arts is excellent for this. It help people learn how to defend
themselves realistically while at the same time demonstrates the futility of
violence and the fraility and limitations of the human body.

 

String them up, that'll teach them..

 

I was under the impression Jamie is a lot younger than 16.

A civilised response would have been "how old do you think Jamie is?"
but I know expecting you to be civilised is about as realistic as me
winning the lottery.

 

Is this the same son who "could understand the principles and ethics",
therefore not very impressionable according to someone?

 

heh

That is a good response.

Phil also has it nailed firmly to the mast with
"Don't introduce more problems, solve the ones that exist already"
(re. poor judicial system)

 

Tell you what, you do less moronic and I'll do more civil.

 

...and "mefahism"?

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