[QUOTE="IK"] Me, personally, no, but a fair few of those masses you don't see the point of trying to engage with would, though.[/QUOTE] In walking the Streets for 3 months and sending out over 30,000 survey forms the Environment wasn't in the top 10 of issues relevant to respondents. The return rate of surveys was less than 1%, 5% would be considered a strong response. In general the people were not engaged in the Election debate until 3 weeks out from the poll.[QUOTE] What I had in mind with my initial remark was that, despite the blatherings in here having turned to environmental matters on a fair few occasions in the past, you waited until this thread to claim that you've been a behind-the-scenes champion of environmentally-friendly building codes "for years"... not sure whether to just flat-out not believe you or feel a tad additionally dejected that, in all this time, you didn't see it fit to even mention this positive initiative you're pushing, instead concentrating on your usual glib barbs.[/QUOTE] Really don't give a shit if you believe me or not, I don't describe myself as a champion of any issue, however with my background in the Development and Building industry and Land Use it is an issue that I am very interested in. I am hurt that you would accuse me of Glib Barbs (I thought that was compulsory on this group). [QUOTE] As for confining your lobbying to those with "the power to change legislation" (which, silly me, I keep thinking should, in a democracy, mean "everyone", or "the masses", if you prefer), how much sense does that approach make if what you're lobbying for stands to be seen as onerous by the public? What, really, are the chances of a state politician coming out before the public and, out of the blue, stating, in effect, "Right; from tomorrow, building a house in Queensland is going to be more complicated and will require compulsory involvement from tradespeople credentialed in a set of currently very rare skills"?[/QUOTE] People generally don't want any legislation that will increase the purchase price of homes, sometimes Governments need to show leadership in issues of long term sustainability. [QUOTE] This wasn't, like, a cunning plan to trick the current Qld government into undermining its own popularity? Was someone in the party going to owe you a beer if the government went for it?[/QUOTE] Actually the Greens were very interested in my views which were published in Local Papers but they refused to direct preferences to me because I was a Liberal, the Labor party was the recipient of massive political donations from the development industry and would not contemplate any change. They have now removed subsidy for Solar Hot Water. The Greens in Queensland are just a branch office of the Labor Party. Boxer