MRAA (ie MRAV) bashing

That sounds like private health cover ad.....

Yeah, well Mr I would have come to your house after the rep meeting but I
was searching out rats with blackleg scabs and doing other things that
involved stuff.

(heaf end, now witextra blackban!)

Hammo

PS do you still want homebrew longnecks?

 

No, I wanted to ascertain the outer limits of the discussion to make sure I
could get away with my explanation with out having to think too hardly.

What height of the atmosphere are we talking about?

Hammo (Disniformation my ass, I have a bit of paper and book about it and
it's reactions, so it must be true!)

 

I never said I wasn't playing games I just don't appreciate the way you
play yours.
AND fyi I've been a member of the AEU and still am for 15 years.
If I want to slag off at my union I will.
I just don't need to be accused by a card carrying liberal party member
of "being thrownout" of the ALP when I didn't vote for them.
If he likes playing untruths So will I which is why I said I wasn't in
the union.
YOU then jumped in with the scab comment without a thought but because
you think it would be fun to have another dig.
I just want to know why you made it your business to make it a crusade.
I will fight tooth and nail as I believe in the union movement but it
will not stop me publically critisizing it when it is needed. Will Boxer
do that? no he backs his party's stance despite not giving a toss as it
doesn't affect him personally. Last time I looked at a politicians
stance they represent the people who vote for them
I am not the hyppocrite here.
Like I said you don't know me even though I've been generous with my
help to you when you needed software or other help.
I am not pa but you seem to think so YOU made that judgement not me.
I even partook in another thread where a troll was getting his just
desserts but you still had the gall to have a dig at me in there.
I will dilly and dally when others do likewise with me but I will not go
all out like u and sharks and try and get 5 years of mileage over me.
I won't stand for it.
Don't like what I say? the killfile is over there-------->
As for Dantes yes I was on the phone for all of 3 minutes and I even
came over and rubbed yer shoulders and try and strike up a convo but did
you make an effort to do so?
Sorry I didn't make more effort on my part.

 

Did you hear it beep too Theo?

Whenever they showed news footage of Sputnik they didn't have any actual
footage (naturally) so they showed an animation that showed it flashing and
beeping. Decades later my mother swore blind to me that you could stand
outside and watch it going overhead and see it flashing and beeping!

 

And even though that person doesn't exist that's your justification for
taking YOUR murderous ideologies to another country and killing it's
people.
Isn't it?

No-one on earth wants to blow up you nor anyone you know yet you want
people denied their human rights and even denied their existence simply
because someone told you to be scared; and you believed them!
Lucky most "Militant Islamists" seem to be calmer and more clear-thinking
than you......
Clem

 

[yawn]
"towellheads under the bed..."

 

Somw poor bastard would probably pay a fortune for that!

SteveB

 

Well, yes.

Out to the magnetopause will do nicely.

-----sharks

 

You may be proud of them but I'd warrant they'd be ashamed of you!

 

Oh, OK. How about you put forward a proposal as to how said "item up for
discussion" was initially generated and then I'll explain my pov.


Please is all mine....

Hammo

 

Here is my dilemma with what you are saying.

Damned if I do, damned if I don't.

I can either believe you, or doubt you. Currently, I know which way I am
swaying. Why, if you want to put forward anti-union ideas and then claim
not to be in a union, I don't care if you say later that I don't know you
and you were tricking and I judged too early. If you want to be a twat and
put forward "misinformation" or incongruent info like that, I'm not
interested. In fact, you reckon I have been giving you shit, you might like
to endure some serious ribbing and not the delicate stuff that has been
going on here. Posting a rebuttal of "pot, Kettle" will just confirm that.

Your claims of criticizing the union movement when required are yours and I
do not share them. If you wish to tar an entire union because you don't
like them, and only going to join up because of the IR reforms, any glib
comments you get are not my concern.

What is your motivation behind making note of the fact that you have offered
me help re software? I thanked you for that and yes I was grateful. Then I
copped a abuse from you because you said I didn't reply with thanks to you.
I recall your super filter prevented any thanks from reaching you.

Should I also extend a list of times I have offered advice on the CD250?
Should I list all the people that have received hospitality from me over the
years that I have known only as an "alias" on a newsgroup. Should that
prevent them from putting forward their views if they don't correlate with
mine? What sort of behaviour do you think this might correlate with?

There is lots of talk of kill filling and all that and it comes across as a
tad of a back pedal. Perhaps if you are going to dish it out, you should be
prepared for it back? Perhaps this isn't the place for you? Perhaps you
need to see things as not a personal attack and accept it for what it is.
Perception is reality (at least it says so in a Ministry lyric).

Hammo

 

How does it feel?

It wasn't about you or for you.It was for Boxer.
He was the one spreading misinformation about myself so
I reciprocated with some of my own, what has that got to do with you?
YOU called me a scab he didn't.

You were though otherwise you would not have commented.

Fair nuff I am thick skinned but was there a need to make further
remarks in another thread directed at me when the target was the troll?
That was uncalled for.

As I have said I have been a member and still am.
Re read what I wrote and my motivation behind why I said I was not a
union member when in reality I am and amways have been and will be.
I am entitled to criticise my union as I am a voting member and have
expressed my disagreement not only publically but privately.
It's part of the democratic process of an open and honest system and I
believe in it.

Fair point I forgot about the filter but it still stands sometime your
attempt at ribbing can backfire as it did in this case.
Let's say I saw red with the continaul harrasment considering I have
never said anything disparaging in jest or otherwise about you or to you.

And I have always offered my thanks. but have you seen me EVER have a go
at you whether it was gentle ribbing or otherwise publically?

That's between you and them, it has nothing to do with me.

All good and well but you forced the issue not me.

Cheers.

 

I believe you have missed my point.

1) This isn't about being wrong or right.

2) This isn't about apportioning blame and penance.

3) This is about discussion and points of view for all that care to read it.

I feel that you are very sensitive and easily annoyed about a great deal of
what gets discussed in here. If you treat it like a power play, you will be
playing a game that no-one else is, and setting yourself up for a hard,
lonely fall that only you know about.

My advice (FWIW) is not to play the "enforcer" and attempt to lambast ppl
for acting outside what ever rules you think are appropriate. Just remember
that while you may think you are acting correctly and appropriately, someone
else may be feeling that you are doing the opposite and see you as a fair
target.

Hammo

 

I think you have missed my points altogether.
You have missed them so much you failed to address them.
I'll repeat it once again
Not once have I ever denigrated you or said anything about you or to you
that may be denigrating.
Can you reciprocate?
Good night.
Can you respect this and reciprocate?

 

Instead of running around like hysterical headless-chickens annoying people
and making enemies?
Sounds good to me!

 

When in doubt, scream *Racist*!

Nice one, Clemturion.

Baseless too. A lot of our allies are arabic.

Many Arab-Australians support the laws.

Would you also accuse the editor of The Australian of Xenophobia?...

http://tinyurl.com/7lhaz

Editorial: Domestic dangers
There is no doubting the danger of terrorism in Australia
November 09, 2005

 

Was the Hilton bombing ever proved to be the work of terrorists? (Was it
ever proved to be the work of ANYONE?)
If I remember correctly it should probably serve as an example of how
getting hysterical and pointing the finger at minority groups when there's
no real evidence (only fabricated evidence) is folly.

 

Pfft; this from the feller who thinks that international "Militant
Islamists" want to come to Townsville and blow him up!

 

Where's the claim of racism Doug ? Yet more seeing what you expect to
see. In the 50's and 60's it was reds under the bed as a scare tactic to
control the people and do nasty shit to furriner's , now it's towelheads
under the bed to..wait for it... control the people and do nasty shit
to furriners.

Gulf of Tonkin never happened and there were no WMD's in Iraq, and yet
you want us to believe that JWH is passing these laws to look after us.
History tells us there's no reason to believe him and lots of reasons
not to.

Plus ça change, plus c'est le meme chose (The more things change the
more they stay the same.)

Umm seriously, yes. Not that it's relevant. It would be more relevant to
note that The American^H^H sorry "Australian", have been avowed
supporters of every initiative the Howard government (and the Liberal
opposition before he got in) has ever put up.

The Murdoch newspapers worlwide have a strong bias towards the rihgt
wing - Fox is the most overt, but every one of his papers has a 90% of
articles or higher pro Tory party slant.

You bag the SMH yet the SMH puts articles pro and anti both sides of
politics, the Australian and the Telegraph rarely if ever posts the
other side (and the rare occasion it does it will be juxtaposed with an
editorial explaining why the non conservative viewpoint is a crock.

It amuses me how correct Orwell was - those who protest loudest about
bias in the media are those who are on the benefit end of most of it.

JL

 

And again you try to evade the question.
It was "OK then; what was the "reason" the Australian Government [omitted
word: "gave"] to it's people for joining in the Attack on Iraq at the time
according to Doug2005?" (since you claim that it WASN'T that Australia was
in iminent danger from Iraq's WMDs.

C'mon Doug; either admit you're trying to deceive (and revise history) or
tell us.