MRAA (ie MRAV) bashing

It is very sad that he will take the wages and conditions his comrades
fought for and refuse to contribute to the collective.

Boxer

 

Some of it does... but there is also a loss of Hydrogen from the atmosphere
over time from the upper layers of the atmosphere.


G-S

 

No it doesn't.
If anything, Boxer still looks a little more open-minded than you do.

I tend to agree with your political views, but not necessarily the way
you go about expressing them.

Moike

 

A few?

I believe you can tell a lot about someone by the opinions they express
and the way they do it.

If there is other evidence, I take it into account. I expect that one
day we'll have a face to face discussion, which I expect will be
civilised, and we'll probably find some common ground. My opinion of
you might then shift in any one of a number of directions.

Moike

 

OK, so My opinion of you just took a bit of a dive too.

Moike

 

Beer Mate?

Boxer

 

X-No-archive: yes

So the two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity
and we're losing HYDROGEN!!
I should've realised....

 

Hah!

No. Another victorian single-industry town with commission housing.

Moike

 

Chardonnay, thanks.

Moike







(actually, I prefer a good shiraz, but I find stereotyping gives me a
more realistic persona.)

 

Toosmoky wrote:

No, but I have a friend who attends the infamous Preston Fatih Mosque
(which one of the council signs still refers to as an "Islamic Faith
Mosque")

No, but my uncle did last time I visited.

No, but I have a good friend who collects all that stuff.

All the above are good, peace-loving people.

I don't think we should all get together anytime soon....

Moike

 

Sadly, like politics, it is a job that seems to attract too many who
should never be trusted with the job.

Moike

 

Interesting take on what I said, as per normal you seem to be very good
at being selective.

What I said was that given we are being given the very clear message
that it's every man for himself, look after yourself first and screw
everyone else, then the rational thing for me to do is to go somewhere
where I can earn considerably more and pay less tax for the same job.

Not quite the same as the above, is it ?

I'm on track for the timetable that I set myself, if that doesn't suit
your prejudices (of which you seem to have many) stiff shit, tell
someone who gives a ****.

I'm not really in need of benificence from an imaginary amorphous
omniscient being, but thank anyway.

JL

 

<Applause !>

 

Not quite the way you put it in your email to me either is it?...

"Cut and run* ? **** off. It's the rational response to the current
status of this country. I've spent a 100K getting my education (which
your generation got for free), I've chipped a half a million or so into
the tax coffers. I'm square, you can all **** off and die for all I
care. Some times it's not a good idea to cook the golden goose"

 

That the one with Imam Sheik Fehmi? He's a good man.

Why is this particular mosque "infamous"?...

Of course. Individually these things mean nothing.

Put them together in one individual though...

eg.

Abu Bakr is well known for his remarks back in August this year.

From http://tinyurl.com/cyjqf

"ABU BAKR: According to my religion here I don't accept all other
religion except religion of Islam.

NICK McKENZIE: Isn't there a danger in you pushing that view that you
will incite, you will encourage other people to attack Jews, attack
Christians here in Australia?

ABU BAKR: No, this is your understanding, this is your understanding.

NICK McKENZIE: What is your understanding?

ABU BAKR: I am telling you that my religion doesn't tolerate other
religion. It doesn't tolerate. The only one law which needs to spread -
it can be here or anywhere else - has to be Islam.

NICK McKENZIE: Abu Bakr denies he's a member of the Salafist Group for
Support and Combat, an Algerian-based organisation linked to al-Qaeda
and banned in Australia but he freely admits he supports its aims. What
do you think of Osama bin Laden?

ABU BAKR: Osama bin Laden - he's a great man. Osama bin Laden was a
great man before 11 September which they said he did it and until now,
nobody knows who did it.

ABU BAKR: And while Abu Bakr says he teaches his students that it's
forbidden to hurt innocent people, a small number have attended
terrorist training camps in central Asia. He stresses the decision was
their own. Isn't it important that you say to them, "You shouldn't go
and engage in violence." "You shouldn't go and train"?

ABU BAKR: If I do this, it means I am betraying my religion.

NICK McKENZIE: But don't you think Australian Muslims, Muslims living in
Australia also have a responsibility to adhere to Australian law? To not
fight, for instance, if they do go to Iraq to not fight against
Australian troops, to make sure they follow the laws of this country?

ABU BAKR: This is big problem. There are two laws, there is an
Australian law, there is an Islamic law. "

Now, if I found out this bloke was stockpiling materials for a bomb,
consulting with others about making a bomb, enquiring how to get
restricted materials for the purpose of making a bomb and discussing
likely targets for a bomb, well, I'd have to conclude that he's probably
up to no good.

It seems the coppers thought exactly that. Now it's up to the courts.

 

Which is entirely consistent with what I said above, the clear cut
message from the result of the last election is that the Australian
public have sent a clear message it's every man for himself, screw the
weak, the minorities, it's all about me mate, I'm voting for my hip
pocket nerve over everything else.

Where is the paragraph above, and the paragraph at the top from 12
months ago not consistent ? They say exactly the same thing. They
certainly mean exactly the same thing to me anyway.

I seem to recall saying the bit about the outcome of the election being
a clear indicator of what the population's attitude was in the first one
as well...

JL

 

More consistent with what I said at first, I'd say...

"some others feel like they should just take their considerable tax
contributions out of the country to punish us plebs for voting for the
only real alternative we had at the election last year."

 

Never mind, found it... http://tinyurl.com/7qdfc

"The hardliners - estimated to make up about 5 per cent of Melbourne's
Muslims - follow the Wahhabi teaching, the most restrictive version of
Islam, which has made huge advances around the world in the past two
decades, backed by billions of Saudi Arabian dollars.

At Preston, the radicals engineered an election and amended the
constitution in the 1990s while the imam, Sheikh Fehmi el-Naji, was away
on a pilgrimage to Mecca. Supporters of Sheikh Fehmi, Melbourne's most
prominent imam, worked hard over the next decade to regain ground, and
members say there is now an uneasy balance.

But Sheikh Omran claims his supporters still control Preston mosque.
"Nothing has changed since that day," he told The Age.

Of the wider cultural war among Melbourne's Muslims, Sheikh Omran said:
"I would say I'm winning. The Muslims are winning, and Islam in the end.
Our message is winning hearts."

But Sheikh Omran - who has claimed that the Americans, not Osama bin
Laden, might have been behind the September 11 attacks on America, and
that the London bombings were not done by Muslims - said he did not
support terrorism.

Sheikh Fehmi said of the Preston struggle: "There was antagonism, they
tried everything, but we are standing on our feet." He said Sheikh Omran
was bringing Muslims into disrepute in Australia. "Omran's opinions - I
wouldn't call it teachings - he does not realise what he is doing, where
he is living."

Does your friend agree with Fehmi or Omran?...

 

Who could they have voted for to give a different message?

What message should the majority of Australians be giving their politicians?

It appears to me that 80% of Australians vote for Liberal or Labor without
really thinking about policy or performance.
and of the balance of 20%, 80% of those don't have any involvement in
providing any feedback to their elected representatives between elections.

So in my uninformed and purely pluck a figure out of the air calculation
about 4% of the voting population have any real interest in how the country
is run, a much lower percentage than those who claim the right to constantly
whinge about "Politicians".

Boxer

 

It has been seen riding the streets of Albury/Wodonga, registered!

Hammo (you know what to do!).