It's not a riot unless someone turns a car over and sets fire to it. It's not an orgy unless there's peeled grapes. -----sharks
Citizens suffering under truly repressive regimes got that way because good people stood by and did nothing... I do not intend to stand by. I wasn't talking about going to war in Iraq, I was talking about the changes to the laws in Australia. Do you feel good about those law changes because I do not... taking rights and liberties away from innocent citizens to make it potentially easier to punish criminals is simply wrong. You must live in a very strange world view... There is still no evidence that these new laws will make that more likely though. The most likely outcome is that these laws will not make any differnce and things will happen as they would have happened anyway but we will be left with more repressive laws. G-S
Let me make this a little clearer. What do you do now that you won't be able to do upon the passage of these laws?
Which keeps (deliberately I suspect) missing the point. There's concepts like altruism and the wider social good that have disappeared from the lexicon of the people who now stridently push policies like this. Get the concept Doug, people can oppose something because it negatively affects other people, even if it won't affect them. I know this doesn't sit well with the current "it's all about me" attitude of you guys, but it's a concept that has served the west well for millenia JL
stuff, and then proceeded to write more and more and more... stuff. Is this getting on to being the longest thread ever? --- Cheers PeterC [aka MildThing] '81 Suzuki GS450-s (gone on to better and brighter things - I hope) '87 BMW K100RT (write-off) '81 Yamaha Virago (XV) 750H (work in progress) '01 Yamaha FJR1300 www.dmcsc.org.au http://eladesom.com.au/ulysses/ # 37181
In aus.motorcycles on Wed, 9 Nov 2005 07:31:55 +1100 So the car races at Bathurst are in a constant state of riot, on and off the track... Too wimpish for bathurst, real men don't have orgies it seems... Zebee - wondering if you can get grape peelers in Ikea.
You're the victim of American brainwashing again, the word liberal was morphed by Americans to their meaning, from it's original meaning. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism "Liberalism is an ideology, or current of political thought, which strives to maximize individual liberty through rights under law" Which is exactly what the Australian Liberal party _USED_ to stand for and no longer does. Restriction of personal liberties for the benefit of the state is a communist and Fascist plank. Hence the old comment about the further left or right you go, the closer the two schools of thought come together (which is a bit narrow, politics isn't 1D) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist "More generally fascism is typified by attempts to impose state control over all aspects of life: political, social, cultural, and economic. The definitional debates and arguments by academics over the nature of fascism, however, fill entire bookshelves. There are elements of both left and right ideology in the development of Fascism, but it generally attracts political support from right-wing and ultra-conservative movements and electoral parties" JL
Liberal party stooges cannot talk about ir laws without towing the party line. If you can't see the logic behind that then I'm afraid I'll have to dismiss your comments as mischievious.
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It is very difficult for a honest community minded family orientated person to achieve pre-selection in a winnable seat for any of the major parties. Internal factional manoeuvring generally leaves most politicians with many favours to give and backs to scrach. Boxer
Your argument loses credibility when you lower yourself to petty name calling. Perhaps you are spending too much time in the playground? Boxer
Just so you know, you _do_ get a lot of respect for that - even if I don't agree with all of your opinions or with your choice of political affiliation, I will happily acknowledge that you're actually _doing_ something with your opinions where I (and many like me) pretty much just argue on usenet (or in pubs or cafes or wherever). ]You;re wrong, but I respect your active wrongness... (And not even always wrong, I almost posted agreeing with you on your healthcare comment yesterday...) big