MRAA (ie MRAV) bashing

Your history is a bit rusty, how about the Hilton Bombing February 13 1978.

http://www.abc.net.au/gnt/history/Transcripts/s1202891.htm

Glad to help.

Boxer

 

Yes... he has...
I wouldn't read too much into it if I were you.


G-S

 

The NSW Police Commissioner and all the Labor Premiers and Big Kim disagree
with you.

Boxer

 

I meant as an individual facing an AWA without the benefit of union
membership.

 

Lame. Give a yes or no and a qualifier if you're that big a pussy.

Lame. You didn't answer several.

JL

 

Personally I don't believe it's in the interests of the motorcycle lobby
to do so... but yes they should be _allowed_ and you didn't answer my
question about if it will still be allowed under the new laws


G-S

 

He's stopping half way for a smoko... one should wear an appropriate
motorcycle related cap of course


G-S

 

Yessss...right...I think you're giving him far too much credit* for
being of consequence on the world stage. You don't have to have
initiated something to try and make political mileage out of it, that be
why Bush immediately said he was invaded Iraq post 9/11, took days
before they realised that even the American public weren't THAT stupid.

Howard's just an opportunist.

JL
(if you accuse Bush of engineering Sept 11 you'd have a better
conspiracy theory, at least it aligns with what Cheney had already said
he wanted to do in '99(invade Iraq))
*yes, sarcasm acknowledged.

 

I'm not saying it doesn't exist... I'm saying it doesn't (yet) exist
here, and until it does we shouldn't even consider changing our laws to
deal with it.


G-S

 

That is ancient history and not relevant to the current terror
attacks... besides I'd never have stayed there anyway!


G-S

 

There are not yet circumstances 'most extraordinary' though.

During the second world war there were armies of hundreds of thousands,
the police are talking about how many 80 I heard mentioned... seems
rather insignificant to me.

I am not denying that a threat exists, I am saying that the level of
that threat does not justify the extreme changes to the law that have
been made.

Indeed, but that will not happen. These laws will not effect that 'not
happening' one way or the other.

I've thought about it... this is a case of 'the ends do not justify the
means'.


G-S

 

No... he is just taking advantage of it to force his views upon us.


G-S

 

If you want answers to complex Legal Questions I suggest you ask a
experenced Lawyer, I have no idea if it would be illegal and no interest in
finding out as I do not intend to be a part of the protest.

Boxer

 

How about the right to protest the Commonwealth games if I wanted to?
There is a local motorcycle lobby that was intending to do so...

How about the inability of the population to actually feel good about
what thier country is doing and has done?

Don't you want to feel proud of your country rather than ashamed of it?

Because these laws make me ashamed to be part of the generation that
destroyed personal rights such as habeus corpus :-(

G-S

 

Quote.
I'm not saying it doesn't exist... I'm saying it doesn't (yet) exist
here, and until it does we shouldn't even consider changing our laws to
deal with it.


G-S

Wrong again G-S.

Boxer

 

I'm afraid I'm going to have diverge from you here - it _IS_ appropriate
to consider the laws you have and ensure they are relevant to modern
times and proscribe specific activities that are a risk to society. It
does _not_ however mean you should trample across the top of the things
that make us a free society.

JL

 

The 'it' I was talking about was not 1 long ago bomb. I was talking
about a history, a pattern.

There is simply no pattern (as there was in Belfast).

If we were being bombed as often as Belfast was, or even Israel is then
these changes might possibly be justified.

As we are not they are not *sigh* [1]


G-S

[1] I'm not sure if are being deliberatly pedantic or you really just
don't get it.

 

OK... I can live with that... I misspoke myself.

I really meant something like "we shouldn't even consider changing our
laws (in the specific way we have just changed them) to deal with it"

G-S

 

You cant weasel your way out of it, you were wrong, be a man and admit it.

Boxer

 

Besides if you read that report, there's serious doubt as to whether it
was terrorists or the secret police justifying their existence
(something the CIA have been accused of doing several times as well)

JL