MRAA (ie MRAV) bashing

Errrmmm... well no, not quite. They recently (late last week, I think)
changed the word "the" to "a" in one specific piece of the new proposed
legislation, then rushed it through parliament. It was not any existing
legislation that they changed, it was exact wording of their new
legislation.[1]

But I think thats irrelevant and my point still stands. What was wrong
with the old laws and how exactly are these new powers going to allow
the police to safeguard us against "terrorist threat" now when they were
unable to before?

Is the appropriate defence these days against terrorists to allow police
to search and detain people without any evidence, and then prohibit
those detained people from telling anyone what happened? Or is there
some subtlety I've missed in these new laws that makes them somehow make
sense?

big

[1]
http://www.theage.com.au/news/general/the-politics-of-fear/2005/11/04/113
0823401326.html

 

Toosmoky wrote:

More like rampant militant americanism.

regards,
CrazyCam

 

Aren't they all?

regards,
CrazyCam

 

Sorry Doug, thats game set and match to John.

The only correct answer to that question is _clearly_ "yes", or perhaps
"except under the most extraordinary of circumstances". Any answer that
could possibly be read as "except when its expedient" or "unless the
government says otherwise" puts you _firmly_ on the "raving looney" side
of this argument.

big

 

Really?

That surprises me, but perhaps they need the ability to keep shooting to
stop a suicide bombers pressing the button. You would hope that the
particular explosive wasn't detonated by impact if they were strapped to the
persons body. Then you would have to train the coppers to avoid hitting the
explosives.

Boxer

 

Its very different now in Queensland, three people together is just the
start of a queue to get into a public hospital.

(RIP Queensland's Free Public Hospital System)

Boxer

 

You are well aware that cops can not identify what chemicals were found as
their assumption would prejudice any prosecution.

Boxer

 

[/QUOTE]

Snerk!

;-)

big (yeah, I'm just teasing - I'm serious elsewhere in the thread though)

 

Prolly

JL

 

You are most likely referring to this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gutnick_v_Dow_Jones

Gary (I thought *my* memory was fading)

 

You got to chose between a number of candidates in your particular
electorate. Very few of us got to directly vote for Howard or Latham.

Boxer

 

Boxer wrote:

Not while our fearless leader keps on siding with the yanks. :-(

regards,
CrazyCam

 

In aus.motorcycles on Tue, 08 Nov 2005 17:04:02 +1100

Heh.

40 years ago, "Live at the Crayz Horse" the Kingston Trio said "If God
had wanted us to vote he would have given us candidates".

Zebee

 

You have a problem with the concept of yes or no ?

Where do you get the idea that these are stated to reflect my beliefs ?
I very certainly do not believe the ends justify the means (for
example). I tried to make them clear statements able to be answered yes
or no. So how about dropping the bullshit for once and telling us where
you stand.

 

Yeah well, you won't catch me disagreeing that that was a Hobson's choice.

JL

 

Only lefty terrorist-loving interest-rate-boosting journos:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200511/s1497841.htm
(but that's only contempt, not sedition)

Gary (sorry, alleged contempt)

 

Yeah, but my point is that even if they did seize "certain chemicals",
and even if those chemicals _could_ be implicated in explosives
manufacture, its a _long_ way from even supporting evidence of any
wrongdoing. Otherwise I'm going to have to embark on a new career as a
prison guard as 50% of australia turns themselves in as terrorists (of
course I'll have to claim the acetone at my place belongs to Osama bin
Flatmate first...)

big

 

Yes.

 

Indubitably.

JL
(however I'm struggling to believe that he really believes the line he's
been trotting out, he seems otherwise quite rational)

 

I'm not convinced that the hospital system in Qld is much different
now, I can remember waiting for hours in out-patients to get treatment
in the seventies. And our roads have improved considerably since then,
when they were the worst in the nation by a country mile.

Bill