JL wrote: [QUOTE] (or do you mean he's copping an attitude in the colloquial sense ?)[/QUOTE] summit like that. You keep tossing up ideas and beliefs, he bats them down with attitude. You can't really have a very fruitful discussion with someone who isn't prepared to consider your argument as long as he can twist it enough to dismiss it. Moike (Still, it's marginally more interesting than these essays, so ... carry on.)