Motorcycles and Relationships...

OK guys this mainly for us...
We are good at attaching ourselves onto our beloved two wheel things but
do you know about the power you have on a relationship???

The right glance... the right touch... the right word... these are the
little things that boost a relationship daily...

The power men have over women is NOT that we ride the badest bike...
dress in the latest leathers... nor that we ride the bravest... Women
are waiting for 3 things... a look... a touch... and a word...

A dog is no more a slave to his master than women are a slave to us...
but a dog will do anything for a look... a touch... and a word... A dog
wants them more than a bowl a food...

Like women... we can be very independent indeed... we leave home for a
day to chase a living... quite able to feed ourselves and to survive the
rough and tumble world outside... But our disposition... like hers...
our well being... our sense of security still depend on the look in the
eye... the touch of a hand... and the sound of a voice...

But we silly male fools are often unaware of how much a look... a
touch... a word can hold for a women... Nor do we seem to have any idea
at all of the degree to which their absence can make her cross...
resentful... tiresome towards us... and all that may transform over to
our beloved two wheel thing...

Let's take the eyes first...
I hear this all to often... "why should I look at her??? "there isn't
anything I don't know about her" "I'd rather look a my two wheel thing"

Guys I know you do not mean that unkindly... it's just a married fact of
life... You live with a women for ten years or more... how often do you
REALLY LOOK at her??? And yet your loved one is starved for more
recognition... the direct glance that says... I know who you are... you
are there...

It's not a question of ardor... although the warm eye is certainly
preferable to the fisheye... it is a direct engagement... forging an
intangible bond between man and women...

If you wish to know what is more than a tragedy than your beloved two
wheel thing sliding down the road upside and backwards... it's the death
of love... I see to too many married couples sitting in public places
their eyes never meeting... Not because the women does not look at her
man... she searches hoping against reality... but... the man does not
look at her... The engagement is broken... each sit alone in a bubble of
indifference...

I know guys... it's easier for us to look at something that is beautiful
and new and exciting than at something that is familiar and fading...
but the you must not forget... the familiarity and the fading part are
of our own doing... and that a woman is invested with beauty and
excitement by our attention... she blooms under it... she dies without
it...

Now for the hand...
A women who is not touched may exist as a person but not as a women...
here again I'm not talking about ardor... It is the exceptional man who
after 15 years of marriage and after a long day at the handle bars...
can lunge at his lover and cover her with passionate kisses... NO...
women... even the most spirited... are much humbler than that... an
occasional hand placed fondly on the shoulder... an arm in arm... a
brief kiss on the cheek as you hold her head firmly in your hands...
things like this bring so much happiest I wonder why men forget them...
Are they really all that trouble and effort??? We are lovable if we are
loved and part of loving is touching...

We need words too...
Not only the comfortable exchange of thoughts and gossip... cozy and
welcome as that is... but... once in a while words beamed... like the
look... directly at her...
Guys you have heard it before and you shall hear it again... when she
dresses up... notice it and say SOMETHING!!! One phrase will do... "nice
color" or "not bad" or even "WOW"... If you don't say anything she might
count it as a failure... you may not realize the power of silence has
over your partner in a relationship... silence may shatter a person's
confidence... they would rather have you say "it's that a little too
tight" than nothing at all... I think women rather be mad than
ignored... There is nothing in the world that makes a women talk more
proudly that the verbal compliment a wise man told me...

Men who have wit know what power this... too.. can exert on women...
Make her laugh and you've made her helpless... Women are far more likely
to be stay united with a plain man who's funny that a Adonis who
isn't... In fact the sights of a woman... the feer her intelligence...
the more she values intelligence in men... It exerts a compelling
fascination that... many of my fellow men... are slow to recognize... I
think they confuse it with rivalry or competition... It is woman asking
the most of her man so that she can pay him homage... The strong
silent man is powerless beside the witty... articulate man... the right
word is a mighty weapon...

Of course all these powers of a relationship emanate from one premise...
CARING... if the man doesn't care... they don't look or touch or
speak... and if you don't look... touch... speak with her... then you
shouldn't be living with her anyway...

But here we come... I think... to the old and lingering inequity between
the sexes... The male has conspired toward his self-assurance as a
superior being... whereas females conspire toward her adaptability to
her man... she will care more what you think... feel... need than you
may care about what she thinks... feels... and needs...

I feel all this remains even more true after all the equality and
emancipation... women have evolved into complete human beings... the big
difference now is that their love is voluntary and no longer
obligatory... tender love is free... but there can be no love without
caring and that means looks... touch and speak... that two wheel thing
will never cater to your needs in that regard...


Larry L
94 RC45 #2
Have a wheelie NICE day...
Lean & Mean it... the extended warranty in every corner of your life...
If it wasn't for us the fast lane would rust...
V4'S are music to the seat of my pants...
1952 De Havilland Chipmunk...
Yank and bank your brains loose...
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"Larry xlax Lovisone" <> wrote in message > OK guys this mainly for us...
snipped everything that touched my heart, wiping my eyes

That's what you think Larry. This touched me in a big way. If my ex was
one tenth of what you wrote, we'd still be married. You said everything
that I kept hoping for in 20 years of marriage.
Are you the only man that believes what you wrote? I've dated a few really
nice men, but they still have their heads up their ass. They seem to think
that if they get too attached to a woman, she'll take away their freedom.
They just don't get it that love gives you all the freedom you can possibly
want. We might not be able to share every single interest, but I would
never ask someone to give up things they hold dearly. I guess I would want
someone to love me enough to be willing to give up everything (ditto myself)
but the flip side is that love would never ask someone to do that. In fact,
you receive so much joy seeing your loved one experiencing the things they
love most in life.
Someone I dated, who introduced me to motorcycle riding, appreciated all the
outdoor things I do; hunting, fishing, atving, hiking etc. But he mistook
my enthusiasm as some type of male competition. He felt threatened. He
just didn't get it that life is short and it's worth living to the fullest.
Now he rides along and lonely. I ride atv and bike alone also, but am never
lonely. Life is too much fun and it keeps getting better.
BUT, if you ever clone yourself, can I have one?
Sue
Northern Wisconsin
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It takes a pretty insecure man to fear a woman sharing his pastimes.
That should be seen as a bonus.
--
Bob Mann

It's always darkest just before dawn.
So, if you're going to steal the neighbour's newspaper,
That's the time to do it.

 

Susan... no way... I feel strongly that the odds are in your favor that
you'll find the man of your dreams... there are just too many men on the
planet for you not to...

I'm not sure a 55 year old man is an ideal clone...


Larry L
94 RC45 #2
Have a wheelie NICE day...
Lean & Mean it... the extended warranty in every corner of your life...
If it wasn't for us the fast lane would rust...
V4'S are music to the seat of my pants...
1952 De Havilland Chipmunk...
Yank and bank your brains loose...
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/-xlax-/
http://home.comcast.net/~netters2/

 

"Bob Mann" <> wrote in message >> It takes a pretty insecure man to fear a
woman sharing his pastimes.

Most definitely true! At least someone I'm currently going out with enjoys
out "adventures". During our doe gun season two weeks ago, he came over to
play "bird dog". While I quietly walked through the woods, he took a wide
circle to try and flush deer to me. We enjoy trying to outfill our freezers
with game. So far I have two deer to his none but he has more grouse than
me. A good friend and lots of fun. As it should be!
Sue
Northern Wisconsin
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Donne e Motore, Gioia e Dolore
Ciao!
Bill

 

Ah but Larry, I'm not looking. And because of that comes my sense of peace,
happiness and contentment. I think it's during bad times we look for
someone or something to 'rescue' us from either ourselves or from others.
And to keep this on topic, my bike needs to go in for 6000 mile servicing.
We've grown to have a close relationship and the thought of it being in the
shop for a few days, disturbs me.
Oh yea and Larry, what Jim said! <big grin>
Sue
Northern Wisconsin
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I parsed that as "fear a woman sharing his panties" at first...

Was thinking he would need to be damn secure to do that...

Heh...damn slow brain death

 

Jr. Pudknocker... if you had been my kid I would have loved you more...
then I think you'd get the part about caring more...

Larry L
94 RC45 #2
Have a wheelie NICE day...
Lean & Mean it... the extended warranty in every corner of your life...
If it wasn't for us the fast lane would rust...
V4'S are music to the seat of my pants...
1952 De Havilland Chipmunk...
Yank and bank your brains loose...
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/-xlax-/
http://home.comcast.net/~netters2/

 

It's a shame the amount of distance separating your bike from the Busy
Little Shop... I'm good at giving hands on training in the art of
servicing...

Jim thinks I'm scribing for nipples again...

Larry L
94 RC45 #2
Have a wheelie NICE day...
Lean & Mean it... the extended warranty in every corner of your life...
If it wasn't for us the fast lane would rust...
V4'S are music to the seat of my pants...
1952 De Havilland Chipmunk...
Yank and bank your brains loose...
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/-xlax-/
http://home.comcast.net/~netters2/

 

Women are like buses. There will be another one by in 10 minutes.

 

You're quite the romantic, Larry. Points well taken, but not every
guy is wired in that way and not everyone is so greatly moved by
superficial motions.

There's no formula because what matters more is simply whether you
give a shit about the other person. How hard you work to accommodate
the other's needs/shortcomings in certain respects is a better measure
of how much you care. That's where the rubber really meets the road
and people are pretty good at discounting what they know is easy for
you, versus what took some self sacrifice. For instance, for some
persons, sentimental displays can come easy, but don't necessarily
mean there's more sincerity behind it than what a more reserved person
has.

Not to say that the flowery language counts for nothing, but the love
inspired from seeing true character in you is what will be the most
durable.

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Definately a Sportbiker

Get a Harley and learn the backhand submission slap and you
wont be using all of your free time grovelling to bitches over the internet.

 

Knock, knock, Peter. These two have been going on with this friendly
banter for years. Involvement. Can you understand that concept?

BTW Dem, very nice condolence piece in the "Sad news, thread.


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Hmmmmm, I think I could do all that mushy shit girls love if the woman
looked like that new Argentinian chick in the Victoria's Secret
catalog.

 

LOL Very nice, Dem. Actually, I've been watching this thread, waiting
for your reply. I just *KNEW* it was going to be along the lines of
"Larry must have gotten some head this morning", but you surprised me.
Very nicely done. I especially like the last line.
Mag

 

snip instruction for a happy marriage...

Larry, please warn Mary that I'm coming to California to steal her man.
Just kidding. Actually, last night when we crawled in bed, I
thanked Duane for being such a wonderful husband, working yesterday to
make a living for us, while I was out from 6:30 in the morning until
6:30 yesterday evening, riding through the forest with several other
guys. I let him know how much I appreciated that opportunity, and that
the only thing that would have made it perfect, would have been for him
to be with me. It's not only the guys that need to remember the words,
looks, and touches, guys need to be appreciated, too. I don't know too
many guys that turn down hugs.
Mag

 

I'm going to read the whole thread, I promise, but first I must dive right
in.

Larry, I like your basic premise: that we should express our affection, even
in "mundane" ways. But I must disagree with your "inequity between the
sexes" comments above. I think your statement does a disservice towards men
and women both, characterizing men as domineering and women as subservient.
Of course this can be the case in certain instances, but I don't believe it
should be considered a general truth.

 

You're arguing aginst a great deal of neural wiring and hormones.
R, UB