Motorcycles and fuel economy: the good, the bad and the ugly

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by TOG@Toil, Sep 14, 2010.

  1. TOG@Toil

    ogden Guest

    All of my bikes have done some miles to a tank. The Bandit was a bit
    thirstier, the KTM seems slightly more frugal. But, generally, some
    miles. To a tank. For some money.

    HTH.
     
    ogden, Sep 14, 2010
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    davethedave Guest

    I used to measure mine in giggles per gallon. Never bothered about
    consumption only tank range and laughs.
     
    davethedave, Sep 14, 2010
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  3. TOG@Toil

    ? Guest

    The best single tank mileage I ever got on a road trip was while
    returning from Laguna Seca to Santa Barbara, CA on my GT750 two-stroke
    triple.

    This was no 55 mph economy run, the Water Buffalo loved to cruise at
    80 to 90 mph where it would actually lean surge at a quarter
    throttle...

    I filled up in Salinas, and didn't stop anywhere along Highway 101,
    and I had the prevailing wind at my back all the way down the Salinas
    Valley to the Gold Coast.

    I thought I might run out of gas, but I didn't go onto reserve, as I
    descended from the top of the shortcut San Marcos Pass (saves 15
    miles) into Santa Barbara.

    Total 222.25 miles / 4.5 gallons = 49.38mpg = 4.76 Liters per 100 km

    http://www.convertworld.com/en/fuel-consumption/Liters+per+km.html
     
    ?, Sep 14, 2010
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  4. SC engines run at less than stoichiometric - something like 20:1, IIRC.
    Didn't know NOx was a problem, though.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Sep 14, 2010
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    Polarhound Guest

    The fuel economy argument in and of itself is a red herring. Arguments
    for motorcycles as clearly superior usually fail to include the extra
    costs associated with bikes, including but not limited to lower tire
    mileage and increased replacement frequency to maintenance costs, extra
    required gear to lessen the safety gap and that in many parts of the
    world, the bikes end up getting 0mpg while parked during the unpleasant
    months.
     
    Polarhound, Sep 15, 2010
    #25
  6. Wotcha.
    <<waves>>
    90+ mpg out of the B33.
     
    ^..^ Lone Wolf, Sep 15, 2010
    #26
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    Colin Irvine Guest

    Small cylinders are generally more efficient than large ones.
     
    Colin Irvine, Sep 15, 2010
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    Domènec Guest

    Then you should consider lower adquisition cost, lower parking cost, and
    consider the time they save as a highly negative cost (which can be easily
    calculated as long as one knows how much earns per hour). Riding pleasure is
    more difficult to estimate in terms of money.

    At the end it is a matter of total cost of ownership per mile.
     
    Domènec, Sep 15, 2010
    #28
  9. No, it's not.
    The OP wasn't a question about economy. It was a technical question.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Sep 15, 2010
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    Dr Zoidberg Guest

    My Hornet 600 was pretty poor on fuel - under 40mpg when ridden harder but
    not much more than 45 when treated gently.
    It was certainly worse than the Thundercat it replaced.
    The only efficient two wheeled vehicles I've had have been modern Vespas.
     
    Dr Zoidberg, Sep 15, 2010
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    Beav Guest

    What've you done to get 300bhp out of yours Ace?
     
    Beav, Sep 15, 2010
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    Ace Guest

    It came that way. It's the 3.6l version in the R36. Big load-lugging
    4wd estate, so it doesn't half surprise other drivers when you floor
    it.

    Mind you, I did once try that on a motorway split when a BMW was
    coming up in the outside lane, only to find he kept with me all the
    way, then breezed past when I pulled across. How are you supposed to
    recognise an M5 from the front anyway?
     
    Ace, Sep 15, 2010
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  13. So do SC engines use a cat, then? I thought they did.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Sep 15, 2010
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  14. A recent mag had an article about future engine developments and
    included direct fuel injection and ultra-lean-burn; variable valve
    timing and lift; variable displacement/cylinders; variable compression
    and variable stroke.
     
    the man with no idea, Sep 15, 2010
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    Polarhound Guest

    Parking cost? What parking cost?

    Time saved? You mean like the time saved by the couple of hours to do
    an oil change (including getting the items, doing the job and disposal
    afterwards) as opposed to paying $15 for someone to change my car's oil
    in 20 minutes while I read the newspaper and drink complimentary coffee?
     
    Polarhound, Sep 15, 2010
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    Polarhound Guest

    Not too technical to see that $400/pair every ~10,000 miles for bike
    tires vs $250/4 every ~50,000 miles for a car pretty much alone kills
    the economy debate anyways, even before you throw in the
    eleventybillion-dollar-an-ounce super-duper-ultra-mega-uber-synthetic
    oil people seem to have this perverted fascination with these days.

    Just another case of widespread selective memory on actual ownership costs.
     
    Polarhound, Sep 15, 2010
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    Domènec Guest

    I park the bike in front of my office. Colleagues coming by car have to rent
    a parking place in the city center. That's a grand a year.
    What you are talking about is negligible, and not what I meant.

    I mean the time saved in my daily commute in traffic jams. Motorcycle is 50
    minutes a day less than public transportation an 35 minutes less than car.
    That is some 150 hour a year, near a month salary. It is a month of labour
    time I can evote to other things, and that has a value.

    If you talk about $ costs you probably live in a car-oriented country, but
    there is a fucking planet out there which is not always like your country.
     
    Domènec, Sep 15, 2010
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    Polarhound Guest

    Not my fault your government taxes you up the ass, no vaseline, for
    anything and everything from TVs to being able to use the roads. I
    guess they have to pay for those 4.5M government owned and monitored
    security cameras somehow...
     
    Polarhound, Sep 16, 2010
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    Polarhound Guest

    Mine need them every 40,000 or so, at a cost of $220 including mounting
    and balancing when I bought them last year.
     
    Polarhound, Sep 16, 2010
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    wessie Guest

    wessie, Sep 16, 2010
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