Motorcycle with three or more in-line wheels?

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by John Doe, Nov 28, 2008.

  1. John Doe

    John Doe Guest

    (Crossposted, please feel free to remove groups)


    Ever hear of or see a motorcycle with three or more in-line wheels?
    I'm using the term "in-line" just to make sure it's not confused
    with a sidecar or whatever. In other words, a motorcycle with at
    least one additional wheel in between the front and back wheels.
    Keywords or links would be greatly appreciated, if any. Thanks.
     
    John Doe, Nov 28, 2008
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    Dean Hoffman Guest

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    Dean Hoffman, Nov 28, 2008
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    zipper Guest

    Here's one http://www.zippy.ws/weird.jpg
     
    zipper, Nov 28, 2008
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    frijoli Guest

    frijoli, Nov 28, 2008
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    ottguit Guest

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    Marty H Guest

    what happens if you want go fast than walking pace?

    do the wheels fall off?


    mh
     
    Marty H, Nov 28, 2008
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  7. Buried in the Imperial War Museum is a 1915 motorcycle the world has not
    seen for the best part of a century. Developed by Spagthorpe in
    conjunction with the War Department for use by despatch riders in the
    bogged down front in Flanders, it has a third in-line wheel to aid in
    braking, traction and steering.
    Designated Iceberg at the WD, it nevertheless rapidly acquired a
    different name at the works, FUPOS, as indicative of how difficult the
    design was to implement successfully.
    The Spagthorpe chief designer of the day, Bill Posters, was an eccentric
    character, often to be seen spending more time waxing his four-feet long
    moustaches than actually designing anything, but he claimed those were
    his creative moments and who was to argue with him, as he did turn out
    some stunning creations.
    Anyway, back to the Fupos - the immediately distinguishing feature of
    the bike was the third wheel, obviously. But that wasn't just it - it
    was where it was - above the rider.
    That's right, a triangular motorcycle. Posters' reasoning was thus - if
    you lack traction, the wheel pivots backwards and drops to the ground
    and bites in. If you find the front steering sliding off, the wheel will
    do the same forwards and arrest the slide at the same time as providing
    extra traction. This was all done before computer controls and demanded
    some mighty fine design of the analogue sort.
    This was allied to an extremely short wheelbase, so short in fact that
    the engine had no room to be mounted in the normal position and as a
    result Posters' team had to drag out of the unfinished projects cupboard
    an old design for a motorised wheel and fitted three of them to the
    bike.
    The motorised wheel meant the need for chain or hydraulic drive was
    avoided.
    Astute readers will have realised by now that what Posters had done was
    anticipate by a century the Unstable Fighter concept (often demonstrated
    in a different arena by Range Rover-driving boxers) where a plane is
    designed in an unstable configuration and is kept the right way up by
    computer control.
    Pure genius - British industry sorely felt his loss when he later
    vanished during an attempt to conquer Mt Subbyprimee, the giant
    underwater peak off the Lehman Islands.

    Eventually a prototype was rolled out of the works doors and, after
    successful testing at home, was sent to the rear areas of the front for
    field trials.
    Despatch riders' initial feedback was encouraging and so, in light of
    the urgent need for cross-country message carrying, an initial order was
    placed for 100 machines. These were built under an Imperial War Order
    which gave the project priority for scarce alloys and materials and the
    first batch of machines was delivered to the Royal Signals Corps in
    August 1915.

    Things went well for the first couple of months - wheel activation was
    fairly predictable and reliable in battlefield conditions and the design
    seemed to be reasonably trooper-proof. Some riders complained of a
    slight torque effect as the top wheel spun up and moved to the front or
    rear, but it was easily countered by body lean and the riders simply got
    used to it, to the extent that when they rode an ordinary motorcycle
    they'd fall off a lot.

    In use, the machine had an unplanned advantage over ordinary
    motorcycles. Canny despatchers realised the third powered wheel with its
    traction spikes was, in effect, a motorised saw blade, and were able to
    supplement their meagre pay by gouging out communication trenches in
    seconds.


    Then an unexpected problem started to surface as the weather changed for
    the worse in France. Flanders, as it later became known, was notorious
    for the clinging and glue-like quality of its mud. Mud that has no equal
    in Britain and, in fairness, can not be tested for by even the most
    diligent of design departments. This mud caused endless problems with
    throttle mechanisms sticking, as the cable arrangements to control three
    motorised wheels were complex.

    It turned out that under certain conditions of mud and rain, if a rider
    was heading from the rear areas to the trenches and rode into a series
    of pools of this Flanders mud that were of just the right length, the
    overhead wheel would swing forwards, encounter solid ground and swing
    back up again. Immediately after, as to be almost a fluid motion, it
    would swing backwards and contact the ground at the rear. After a series
    of such motions some riders attempted to stop the wild swinging by
    applying the third wheel pivot brake to lock the top wheel in its rest
    position. Unluckily, if they did so when the wheel was in transition
    from rear to front, the pivot brake had a tendency to lock the wheel
    directly above - at full throttle this was disastrous, for the inertia
    was enough to tip the motorcycle forwards and the rider would do a
    stoppie.
    Not just any old stoppie, though. This was not a stoppie as we know it,
    for instead of the rider simply landing arse over tit, the still running
    third wheel would contact the ground and the bike would carry on in a
    straight line at full pelt - towards the German lines.

    There were numerous tales from the front of soldiers being rudely
    awakened from their slumbers by a ghostly banshee wail and a smell of
    burning oil as something from the bowels of Hell itself soared over
    their trench and made off towards Germany. One infantryman sent home a
    film which was later developed and showed him holding his helmet towards
    the camera - a helmet on which can be clearly seen what we now know to
    be the distinctive track of a Fupos tyre.

    After the loss of too many experienced despatch riders to prison camps
    in Germany the WD recalled the bikes and instructed Spagthorpe to keep
    the entire project secret. Works staff complained bitterly for years
    afterwards that they were ordered to cut up the jigs so that no more
    could ever be made - some went so far as to suspect that someone in the
    WD was in the pay of the Kaiser, but such a thing was idle speculation
    of the worst sort.

    Many years later, it was discovered by a genealogist in Texas working
    from his trailer park that Bill Posters was actually an Anglicised
    German - his birth name being Wilheim von Upperstikkem. There is no
    suggestion whatsoever that the Fupos was a deliberate attempt to waste
    time, materials, or servicemen.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Nov 28, 2008
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    CrazyCam Guest

    <applause>

    Love your work!

    regards,
    CrazyCam
     
    CrazyCam, Nov 28, 2008
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    JL Guest

    Ahhh Spagthorpe: so many technological advances to wonder at.

    JL
    <applause>
     
    JL, Nov 28, 2008
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    S'mee Guest

    On Nov 27, 10:48 pm, Grimly Curmudgeon <>
    wrote:

    SNIP

    Odd, that's the first one I've heard of that didn't have a Canine
    name...courious. obtw, AEC is dragging their feet re-certifying my
    airdales containment body. Assholes...garage fees at Los Alomos are
    killing me.
     
    S'mee, Nov 28, 2008
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    Outback Jon Guest

    Well, there's stupid custom stuff like this:

    http://www.superstreetbike.com/custombikes/2003_suzuki_hayabusa/index.html

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    Outback Jon, Nov 28, 2008
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    Twibil Guest

    Ah, but FUPOS is only an acronym for "Foxhound, Ultimate mastiff,
    Pekingese, Otterhound, and South russian ovtcharka", which pretty much
    explains why it was an unsuccessful model...

    It kept eating it's riders.
     
    Twibil, Nov 28, 2008
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    Eddie Guest

    Badly, of course.
     
    Eddie, Nov 28, 2008
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    Krusty Guest

    There's been a few hillclimb specials with two inline rear wheels. A
    google for rachau hill climb might turn up some pics.

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    Krusty, Nov 28, 2008
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    Pete Fisher Guest

    Point of clarification for UK posters.

    *Freak* hillclimb, not *speed* hillclimb.

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    Knobdoodle Guest

    Instantly! (Err... you did mean "turn stomachs" didn't you?)
     
    Knobdoodle, Nov 28, 2008
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    platypus Guest

    All the roads are straight in ap Meryk Land. You don't need to turn.
     
    platypus, Nov 28, 2008
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    platypus Guest

    http://www.motomagazin.cz/photos.php?photo=photos/action/2005/sraz_pavu05/moto/foto20.jpg
     
    platypus, Nov 28, 2008
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    platypus Guest

    You mean, like the Kettenrad TOG posted a link to the other week?

    http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.rec.motorcycles/msg/060ee953fc7fa401?hl=en
     
    platypus, Nov 28, 2008
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  20. Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Pete Fisher
    At your age? It's a fucking miracle.
     
    Wicked Uncle Nigel, Nov 28, 2008
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