motorcycle vs car safety

In the biblical sense, that is still true.

Hammo

 

:

<snip>

hmm, here's a different perspective for overprotective parents,

a.. Melanoma is the fifth most common cancer in men. It is the most common
cancer in men aged 15 - 24 years, making up over one-quarter of all new
cancer cases for this age group.
a.. One in 25 Australian men will develop melanoma during their lifetime.
(* Most recent National statistics, Van der Hoek, Dr P. Cancer in Australia
1997. Australian Institute of Health and Welfare 2000)

If they don't want a child of theirs getting injured, maybe they should have
considered only having female children (er assuming ur male here :/), and in
another country..
or better yet, no children at all?

I understand their concern - but really, it's *life*.
Maybe gently remind them that they are parents, not dictators....
you've heard their concerns and as a young adult you are ready to make your
own decisions in life..


*shrug* I know it wont work, but worth a shot
Bren.

 

I'm not 'saying that' I'm just saying it could be the case. Data
gathering for these sorts of things doesn't always make a lot of
sense...

it really depends what qualifies as 'an injury' methinks. If it means
going to hospital for surgery, then you're possibly right. If it means
getting a sore neck, then no...

lol. trying to compare motorcycling, (which has a fair proportion of
interested and aware riders pushing the limits) to driving, (which has a
fair proportion of disinterested, totally unaware morons tootling around
not knowing what they're doing) using basic statistics like these, and
drawing useful conclusions, would seem a tough thing to do to me...

Charlie

 

In aus.motorcycles on Fri, 5 Mar 2004 11:40:30 +1100

Or you do what I did. Move interstate, get a bike, come back for a
visit, and corrupt your parent.

Mum's been happily riding now for what, 15 years? Including a recent
long trip from Perth to Melb then Sydney then home.

Far easier than this arguing bit!

Zebee
- who even got her into Guzzis!

 

I found some proper statistics, as well as a full-on case study of motorcycle
crashes in my uni library (at the University of Queensland). Try searching your
local uni catalogues, the case study was awesome, looking at factors like
clothing colour, and pillion behaviour as well.

Hope this helps.

Adam.

 

In aus.motorcycles on 5 Mar 2004 01:33:08 GMT

That's probably this:

Case-Control Study of Motorcycle Crashes (1997) N Haworth, R
Smith, I Brunen & N Pronk

Which you can get from
http://www.atsb.gov.au/road/research/crreport.cfm

along with a bunch of other interesting stuff.

http://www.atsb.gov.au/road/index.cfm has links on the left side to
their pulications, some of which are webbed, some you have to write away
for, some you have to buy.

Zebee

 

"BT Humble" wrote

And now you've got them all!

Is this a "very well hung" joke?

Cheers

Theo

 

"Nev.." wrote

In real life you would try to avoid hitting the wall.

Theo

 

"James Mayfield" wrote

To Sydney-siders, any postcode starting with 20. To Melbournites, any
postcode starting with 30. Extrapolate as required.

The postcode of Mundrabilla is 6443, Widgiemooltha is also 6443 even
though they are some 800 kms apart, but neither place is really
anywhere.

Theo

 

"conehead" wrote

That is not my definition of highly-skilled.

Theo

 

In aus.motorcycles on Fri, 05 Mar 2004 02:04:09 GMT

Mallabelling had a postcode, but as far as I know it was a pile of rocks
in the corner of a paddock.

Zebee

 

You could also point out that you're more likely to be injured riding
a horse per Km travelled

JL
(I just made that up but it's probably true

 

X-No-archive: yes
Please don't squeeze your postulates here paulh.
Clem
~
paulh wrote
~

 

X-No-archive: yes
Peter Cremasco wrote
~

~
I'd reckon that the reverse is true by 40,000 to 1 (thanks for the numbers
Nev).
I think that it's common to be injured but not killed in a bike prang but if
a car-prang is serious enough to injure you then there's a good chance it'll
kill you! (This would be especially true of more modern cars)

Just a hunch though.
Clem

 

It is? I thought that testicular cancer was the most common form of
cancer in men aged 15-24. When did melanoma take over?


---
Cheers

PeterC [aka MildThing]
'81 Suzuki GS450-s
'87 BMW K100RT

www.dmcsc.org.au

 

I'm not adverse to drawing a long bow, or clutching at straws, while
shooting the breeze on "what if".

---
Cheers

PeterC [aka MildThing]
'81 Suzuki GS450-s
'87 BMW K100RT

www.dmcsc.org.au

 

But, wouldn't precisely the opposite be the case? Greater levels of passive
safety in cars would serve not to polarize the effects of a crash on the
occupant, but to smear them out. Whereas before, being in a crashing,
crumpling car would present you with enough dangers to kill you five times
over, in a more modern car, there's only enough danger to kill you once.

Don't we spend enough time arguing against official attributions of the
decline in road deaths to speed cameras by pointing out that "It's the
safer, better-engineered cars, stupid."?

 

X-No-archive: yes
Peter Cremasco wrote in message ...

When they started getting sunburnt balls.
Clem

 

X-No-archive: yes
paulh wrote in message ...

 

Mal-labelling won't win any points with the Post Office!

Gary

--
Wealth without Work
Pleasure without Conscience
Science without Humanity
Knowledge without Character
Politics without Principle
Commerce without Morality
Worship without Sacrifice

The Seven Deadly Sins of M.K. Gandhi