Motorcycle v. Car comparisons- Needed

If any of you have copies of Motorcycle vs. Car showdowns from any years, I
would love to have a copy.
You can ping me at LWallerstein "at" btcommercial.com and I will make
arrangements to get them from you.

Also, if anyone has currently active links on any motorcycle vs. car
showdowns, please post them here, or send them to me at the above
referenced e-mail address, or post them here.

Thanks very much.

Larry W.

 

Those are all useless as a car cannot go between trees, or split traffic...
but you stay dry with a car... yet, if you want to drive between trees?
It doenst work. Parking is also more difficult.

Phil Scott

 

Irrespective or your opinion, I am still requesting copies of motorcycle vs.
car comparisons, and/or links to existing reports.

I'm not asking for opinions of those comparisons, I'm asking for copies, or
links.

Thank you, anyway.

 

You've never seen a car lane split? I have.

Needless to say, the people next to him were pissed, and scared, and probably
not in that order.

 

Motorcycles have two wheels, cars have four. There are however
exceptions to that general rule.

Hope this helps.

 

Check out
http://www.2wf.com/articles/bike_tests/E5392DA9-0AB9-4211-B03C-6EDC3B1976E0.asp

Makes me want to buy the 125SM.

-B

 

OK.... go ahead... see if I care.... if you get stuck between trees with a
big FAT car though DO NOT BLAME me... I am innoncent. I am just trying to
help.

Phil Scott

 

Car has 4 wheels and generally seats 4-6. Motorcycle has 2 wheels and
seats 1-2.

what else do you want to compare?

 

Oh, I see. You aren't very nice. I'll just keep my secret cache of links
and magazine articles to myself ;-)

 

On a tight track (SOW) it's been said that a fast car can beat a bike
but the opposite is true on a large track; main Willow Springs.
Then... I wonder if you raced a motard against the car, if the outcome
on the tight track wouldn't be different.

I saw times for everything lower than F1 and Cart cars-(serious down
force) and the fastest times were on the 250cc SuperCarts.
Basically anything you can register for public roads under $250K
doesn't stand a chance against a liter sport bike like your previous
K3. The very expensive McClaron may be the lone exception. I'm talking
Viper, Vettes & Ferraris.

Here's one from my own experience on a two lane freeway on ramp.

These are not toys for the casual dilettante. They're high
performance, one-off race replicas, with performance that makes a
350ZX or M3 look like a Honda Civic. Even the, so called, beginner
bikes are still capable or 0-60 in less than the fastest cars; <=3.5
seconds) vs 4.5 seconds for the really fast cars.

Even my cushy Sprint ST (sport tourer) was easily able to come from
behind and overtake an M3 squealing tires all the way up a freeway on
ramp. I slowed at about 100 & as we entered the freeway the guy pulled
alongside and just looked over at my bike in disbelief. I just held up
two fingers then thumbs up, followed by four & thumbs down (2 wheels
beats 4 Sprint 0-60 3.1sec, M3 ~5seconds. 0-100 7.5-8 seconds vs
12.5-13 seconds. No match -

There was a shoot-off in Motor Cyclist about a year ago. Basically a
K2 GSXR1K against a Z06 Vette with Kevin Shwantz, I believe, in/on
both vehicles. The GSXR was 8 seconds faster around willow springs and
did the 1/4, then came to a dead stop before the Vette hit the 1/4
mile traps. Braking times were pretty close and the telemetry on the
track showed the GSXR beating the vette's corner speeds in all but one
turn and even that one was pretty close.

200+ top speeds are also not outside the realm of bikes these days.

You're very welcome, Larry. As to the online references, let your
fingers do the new Yahoo search engine. Also consider switching to
"rec.autos.driving". Lot's of pretentious snobs in that neck of the
woods, so you should feel right at home


Bob Nixon
Phoenix AZ
01 Sprint ST "RED"
03 Suzuki GSXR1000 "SILVER"

 

It's an age-old question: which is faster, a car or a motorcycle?

Of course, it all depends on which car and which motorcycle. But what about
a $130,000 Mercedes-Benz AMG E55, featuring a hand-built 5.4-litre
supercharged V8 engine producing 469bhp against a stock Yamaha YZF-R6,
123bhp and yours for less than ?11,500?
http://www.yamaha-racing.com/public/news/headline.asp?PressID=826
*******************

 

I don't get what you're looking for... like 1/4 races? braking
distances? Weight/HP ratios, dollar per pound of titanium?, how many
cockroaches per assembly plant?

 

Thank you for the link, Bob.

 

There have been a series of liter bike comparos against other vehicles
including Vipers, Corvettes, and even an F-16 fighter plane in the past
several years. I am looking for those articles which were run in both the
Car and the Motorcycle magazines. In addition to that, I'm looking for any
other car vs. motorcycle match-ups anyone is aware of. I don't care about
the relative price of the vehicles, and I don't care who won. I want the
articles. Thanks very much.

 

I'll weigh in on this since I have a '98 BMW M3, which Bob compared to his
Sprint. I have a 1997 Yamaha YZF750R and Kawasaki ZRX1200R. My M3 does 0 -
60 in about 5.5 seconds, and to 100 in about 14.3. The newer M3s are 4.8
and 13.4 or so. In a drag race, the bike annihilates the M3, and that will
be the case for many bikes. It is just a case of how MUCH the bike beats
the car. And of course, all this depends on riding and driving ability,
especially for the bike rider. In top speeds, my '98 M3 is electronically
limited to 137 mph, but the newer one is limited to 155. If a contest goes
that far, and even if the bike can go that fast, expect the M3 to stay ahead
on any public road (big tickets!). These cars are dead comfortable at high
speeds, where passengers can take a nap, and the driver can easily maintain
high speeds over all kinds of curves, surfaces, etc. When driving over
Highway 17 to Santa Cruz (and looking for CHP), my M3 just inhales that
road. Bikes have run up on me on acceleration, but overall, those riders
were not as fast, and yo-yo back and forth making up time on straights,
losing time in corners. Also, the M3 has strong top gear acceleration,
which makes it even easier to drive and still squirt out of higher speed
corners. Just different, not one better than the other.

I am a pretty decent rider, having been on the track quite some time ago.
But, nowhere near the front of the pack, just your budding kneedragger. The
bike is much harder to ride at speeds the M3 just yawns at. I had a
sporting drive down a winding (35 - 70 mph) road in the M3 with a Ducati
999, Honda 954RR, and a Yamaha R1. I was able to drop the riders on the
954RR and 999 very quickly. The R1 stayed behind me, but was banked over
hard, and could not (or chose not) stay with me in tight corners. The car
had much more in reserve, with my wife and daughter just sitting along for
the ride. The R1 rider gave me a thumbs up after we got out on the main
road. The brakes on the M3 would probably result in rear tire lifting on a
bike if it braked as hard. This car can STOP. It was also apparent to me
that I can go much faster in the M3 on roads on our local Mount Diablo (3800
ft. mountain in San Francisco bay area) than I can on my bikes. A bike may
ultimately be faster than an M3 with a good driver in this environment, but
not with your average mortal on it. Basically because the skill level for
the driver, at pretty high speeds is not all that high. Gumball tires,
traction and stability control, etc. ensure that. Bikes are not so
forgiving and harder to ride fast and well, but that is one reason they are
so fun when ridden well.

Oh, there IS one car that I doubt any street bike will touch. The Bugatti
Veyron sports car. 3200 lbs. with a W-16 engine with four turbochargers.
The engine has about 950 lb. ft. of torque and is rated at 1001 hp. Top
speed is electronically limited to 400 km/h or 250 mph. Unlimited, it is
about 280 mph. Even in the short 0 - 100 km/h (62 mph) sprint, it does this
in 2.9 seconds, right around the fastest bikes. But a bike may have a hard
time besting the 0 - 300 km/h (186 mph) time of 14 seconds. Of course the
car is $1,100,000, a bit more than your average R1 or Hayabusa!

- Phil

 

Good points Phil.


Bob Nixon
Phoenix AZ
01 Sprint ST "RED"
03 Suzuki GSXR1000 "SILVER"

 

Dan Carter and Ed U. have stepped up and sent me the articles I've
requested.
Thanks guys. Dan - the "check is in the mail" --- Very much appreciated.
You had the specific articles I was interested in.

I now have the articles that I was looking for - and want to thank the
motorcycle community for responding.

Good luck out there guys, and keep the rubber side down.

End of thread from my perspective.

Larry

 

Well, the turbine bike claims a top speed of only 250 MPH, but a 10
second 1/4 mile and 0-227 MPH in 15 seconds, but you'll have to ask
Jay Leno to verify.

 

Well, the turbine bike claims a top speed of only 250 MPH, but a 10
second 1/4 mile and 0-227 MPH in 15 seconds, but you'll have to ask
Jay Leno to verify.[/QUOTE]

How about the Dodge "motorcycle?"


Matt

 

yeah, but it has a turning radius of about a mile and a quarter.