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Discussion in 'Motorcycle Racing' started by Julian Bond, Apr 17, 2005.

  1. Julian Bond

    Julian Bond Guest

    Is Sete in denial? "The only mistake I made was to lead from the start."

    Well apart from falling off that is.

    So Rossi's luck holds again. He struggles a bit all weekend, starts from
    the second row and still picks up second with his main rival getting a
    DNF.
     
    Julian Bond, Apr 17, 2005
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  2. Julian Bond

    pablo Guest

    Indeed. Plan B was to try to put some distance between him and Rossi. Since
    the latter is no turtle, the hare might be risking too much building up too
    much of a lead. Time for plan C.
    I would not call that luck. I cal it smart, just like I called last week's
    showing questionable. He knew he couldn't run for number 1, he didn't push
    it further. He also probably knows Barros is achieving his season goal by
    scoring a win or two. At least that is the expectation for now, and based on
    Barros' long history of doing so. This is not taking away from Barros'
    showing - he was the best guy out there today, no doubt. Today may have been
    a showcase for the weakness of Honda's "strength in numbers" approach,
    because if different riders out of the Honda phallanx keep riding for the
    top spot, all Rossi's got to do all year is to score podiums and an
    occasional win, counting on the possibly equally matched Honda guys to
    neutralize each other from week to week.

    Biaggi - hurrah, a podium. Usual bullshit about machine and technology
    problems being to blame for last week, rather than talking about today's
    race. Shut up Max, you're top dog in the most successful team with the most
    resources, and if you can't direct them it's squarely *you*. He gets on my
    nerves with his constant and predictable excuse making, and his using his
    successful moments to simply say why he didn't do better overall in other
    races. Melandri - yikes, ahead of team leader Gibernau on points. Bound to
    do well this year, I think, because with Gibernau as a team mate pressure
    isn't high, and consistency will pay off. Rossi 20 points ahead of the guys
    that were supposed his closest challengers for the title already... many
    things are not going according to plan for Honda already. Barros being
    closest to Rossi right now...

    Excellent result for Checa, too. Edwards on an upward trend. Xaus too,
    marginally. I would have expected Bayliss to do better given
    conditions.Everything else rather unremarkable.
     
    pablo, Apr 18, 2005
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  3. Julian Bond

    S Frank Guest

    Everyone must read different quotes than I get to read. The ones
    I read had Biaggi saying he was happy with the weekend, the
    team did well, they found the solution to their electronics
    problem and he is looking for ward to the next race. Where
    is the complaining?

    Biaggi:
    "Definitely, today's third place leaves us satisfied. I'm happy
    for me and especially for my team: finally I saw them smiling
    and I thank them all. "

    Sounds happy with bike to me.

    I think this new rain rule is ridiculous. It will force riders and teams
    to make difficult and dangerous decisions during the race.

    Shane
     
    S Frank, Apr 18, 2005
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  4. Julian Bond

    clemenr Guest

    As far as I could see, Biaggi was stalking Rossi the whole race, and I
    was expecting some moves at the end of the race. Once the rain started
    I couldn't see any sign that he even thought about challenging Rossi.
    He just seemed happy trailing by a few seconds.

    Given the events that befell others, perhaps a wise choice.

    Cheers,

    Ross-c
     
    clemenr, Apr 18, 2005
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  5. Julian Bond

    Champ Guest

    But what would have happened under the old rules? Even if the race
    had been stopped (which, imo, is only 50/50), then all the teams would
    have looked at the track, looked at the weather, and started the 2nd
    part "wet race" on slicks, just like at Mugello last year. I don't
    see that it would have been any safer.

    Be able to judge marginal conditions is just another part of a racer's
    toolkit.
     
    Champ, Apr 18, 2005
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  6. Julian Bond

    Champ Guest

    Only since the advent of slicks. And all the systems in use since
    then (half points, aggregate races based on time, two part races
    without taking time into consideration) have been pretty poor for
    riders and spectators both, imo.

    Endurance racing (in which I have a vested interest) has to deal with
    changing weather, so I don't really see why GPs can't do the same.
     
    Champ, Apr 18, 2005
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  7. Julian Bond

    Champ Guest

    This is emotive nonsense.

    There will always be a situation where a slick is the right tyre to
    use, even tho the track is not entirely dry. This was the case
    yesterday, as it was at Mugello last year. Given that we can't
    legislate against the weather, the new rules seem to me to be at least
    as good a way of doing things as any other method.
     
    Champ, Apr 18, 2005
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  8. Julian Bond

    pablo Guest

    If people cross the boundary of fair sportsmanship on their quest to
    win -i.e. if they cheat- then it's not politics if they get their fingers
    slapped on or if they get banned from the sport. It depends on their
    offense. But not "whatever it takes" is permissible. In sports where it's
    only about taking steroids or such and athletes ruining their health and
    lives for glory, as far as I am concerned it may as well be free choice. But
    in a sport like motorcycling people have been and may be seriously hurt, and
    I think it is imperative a very stern sanctioning body limits the risk of a
    sport that by its very nature is dangerous.

    Victory is not a vindication for any type of behavior...

    ....pablo
     
    pablo, Apr 19, 2005
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  9. I agree that slicks were the right choice and the conditions wasn't that
    bad. Gib ran into bad luck and must be terribly difficult to be in the front
    in those conditions. My hat off to Barros for pulling it off.

    On the other hand, race tracks and safety runoffs are build based on
    experience. When you have a really wet surface and a few laps to go you will
    see lots of riders trying to get through on slicks. Problem is that they may
    slide off at places no one ever been off, and it might very well be right
    into a wall.

    I'm in doubt, before the season I was against the rule, but Estoril show
    that it works, sort of.



    /MBE
     
    Morten Becker-Eriksen, Apr 19, 2005
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  10. Julian Bond

    Paul B Guest

    I agree, about 3 laps from the end you could see they were all being
    very tentative, not getting their knees down as much so the track was
    obviously very slippery in some parts so I think caution before
    silliness always prevails in those conditions so close to the end.

    Paul
     
    Paul B, Apr 19, 2005
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