[QUOTE] I know what you're saying but it's *not* a requirement to take the V5 for the new test.[/QUOTE] Agreed. As has been stated several times in this thread, providing the V5 aids the tester when making the input wrt the test result. I wouldn't have been able to test the MZ, as I didn't have the V5 - but there were notices on the walls requesting the V5. All I was trying to do was explain to SP in a reassuring way, why her mum may have been requested to take her V5 with her. I see now what a mistake this was.