More Moore Lies

Jeeze - just hunt the web for anything related to the Moore film.
It's not hard to find.

How does it not have credibility? It makes many efforts to cite facts
and events in the order in which they happened. Unlike the film which
takes pieces of information and constructs them together without any
regards to the time frame or actual events in an effort to disillusion
the viewer.

How does that have nothing to do with the movie? Are you high? The
movie explicitly implies that Bush "stole" the election and wasn't
really voted in as President. Now, I realize that there is a large
debate about this, and I don't wish to go into it ....but the movie
fails to show the events as they happened and the impact that they
might have had.

Moore even went so far as to print and show headlines for papers that
never existed, with dates that are completely inaccurate.

Again, large debate, but the independent committees that counted the
ballots pretty much agree that Bush would have won had the "hanging
chads" been allowed to count. I'm not going to argue whether or
whether not the repubs and demos do sneaky things to sway the vote -
they all do it.

LOL - yeah, right.

Hehe....that one is a bit of technicality - as is Moore's initial
deception. The reality is that of those days, just because he was not
in the Whitehouse does not mean he wasn't working.

On an on and on and on....


--Fullstate

Me and Mah 'Priller!

 

Yes, he presents his information and let's the viewer decide. Doesn't
everyone? Again, from an artistic perspective - it's brilliant. But
the accurate information is way off base.

I tend to agree with that paragraph with the exception of the stuff
about the GOP. I find socialism a frightening thing and democrats
traditionally support socialism. The US was not founded on socialism
so I could say the same thing about them.

I chose to be independent.


--Fullstate

Me and Mah 'Priller!

 

Yeah... and you drive an old Ford pickup..too.. Alright.. finally found us a
place that will gracefully serve glass of water with a slice of lemon.. We
don't even have to order it.. They just put that sucker on the table, when
you sit down.. Best damn steak I have ever eaten.. Whew.. more than any one
normal man should eat..

Course.. it is one helluva "day run" .. but .. well worth the ride.. Get ol'
Jim rounded up and we'll get over there and have us a bite.. Mesilla Park,
NM.. isn't to far, is it ?? See ya' later, pard..

Your friend in Irving
Bill Walker

 

ROTFLMAO... You just told off on yourself, Trash...

 

Wagon's East.

 

This statement strongly reminds me of another person I know. He makes
very "anti-democrat" statements and stands very
"pro-republican/conservative". He makes statements about how democrats
(or democRATS as he likes to call them) are a strain on the system and
likes to cheat the system to get things like welfare and such. He
steady talks about how they are destroying the economy because they're
just lazy and do nothing but suck up the social services. He also goes
into details about how he doesn't like people (mostly mexican) using
those services to live.

I found out that he has a girlfriend who's pregnant. He's in a low
paying job and has been for many years. He has no insurance although
his job provides insurance at a cost. He is on food and housing
assistance. His girlfriend is using public assistance for the
pregnancy.

Now, on the other side of the coin, I've had low paying jobs and have
never used public assistance through two children and a wife.

My point being, be careful about saying things against
"socialism"...you might very well find yourself using it when you need
it. I also disagree about your statement about this country not being
founded on this. One holiday in particular that I can think of is
Thanksgiving. Had it not been for the generosity of the native
americans, the settlers at the time would've starved. That very
holiday (among others we celebrate) is to remind and teach us of
helping others when they need it instead of turning away.

 

And funny thing is, you have never answered how Townshend's version is
anymore accurate of the events.

 

This is why the movie "Uncovered" would be such a wise choice to
follow F9/11. When you see the many interviews of the "credible right
wingers" answering to the many statements of how Iraq was tied to so
much doom and gloom, it's powerful and stunning. There's another movie
which is good called "Hidden Wars". This has 'Stormin Norman'
interviewed talking about how the first Gulf War was manipulated by
the United States. This movie only gives an insight of the first war
and doesn't really address the current events...even though the two
are tied.

There are also several good books out that also validate the
information.

I agree that one might point accurate information down a path of their
choosing, but there's too many which have the same information taking
different paths. It's up to us to decide if all the information is
false or real. I just can't buy into the idea that all this
information is false...especially since I saw most of it as it
happened. I watched the SOTU address in it's entirety. I saw the many
interviews. I read the many paper articles. Notice, no one is
disputing the validity of the information, only the manner which it's
presented.

If you have dogshit on a platter, is there a good way to serve it for
dinner?

In the end, you still have dogshit.

 

What I said was more to make a point that we could say that either one
of the parties is anti-american or a threat to american culture. I'm
not saying that I completely believe that 100%.

This is true....but it's something we have to be very careful about.
Socialism typically fails in the long run.

A gift or a handout is not socialism. So an event like Thanksgiving
is not based upon socialism.

--Fullstate

Me and Mah 'Priller!

 

LOL - reminds me of a line from a Stephen King movie

"you can't polish a turd."


--Fullstate

Me and Mah 'Priller!

 

He died on the set of Wagon's East. I guess if you're looking at what
the last movie released was, you'd be right. If you're looking at the
last movie he was working on, I guess you can't get anymore "last"
than dying on the set.

 

THAT'S IT!!!

I'm suing Stephen King!!! He stole my line, changed it around and made money off it!

 

You and I agree here.

People would say "Clinton didn't care about terrorism and did nothing
about it" after September 11th. I would then respond (as I still do)
"think about where our own priorities have been. We have been more
concerned about whether a President or Congressman has been getting
their dick sucked regularly and whether she spit or swallowed". About
this time, they draw up trying to think of something else to say in
rebuttal when I say "look at what the headlines of September 10th
were...whether Levy sucked Condit's dick and whether he killed her
because he wanted to hide her baby that she was carrying...of course
she wasn't pregnant and he didn't have anything to do with her
murder...but it made for great headlines to all the people who's
priorities were screwed up". This is generally where the conversation
ends and the people tend to go find someone else to talk to about how
Clinton wasn't a good terrorist fighter.

 

okay, at this point we have some sort of miscommunication going here.
I'm understanding that the "socialism" that you're talking about
democrats supporting is the programs of helping people within society
and not turning an eye away from social areas such as homeless and
sick. This very principle is the foundation of what we celebrate with
Thanksgiving and/or Christmas.

If there's something else that democrats support for "socialism",
please point it out because I may not be understanding your statement
correctly.

Also note, Thanksgiving isn't about "gifts or handouts". What we are
taught is that the native americans didn't "give" anything. They
helped people who they didn't know or trust to survive through some
hard times. For that, we are taught to give thanks to those who help
others without condition and to follow their examples.

After all, we're clumped here together on this dinky planet...so we've
got to take care of it and each other.

 

I hear people constantly complaining about the "news" and their
reporting. They say the "news" doesn't report anything favorable about
Bush.

I ask them to mention something he's done since being in the White
House which was favorable for them and which helped them out in their
day to day life. The most recent one was a long pause with the
person's mouth hung open then..."well, he got the gay marriage thing
brought up". Hmm. Gay marriage in the Constitution? Wow! I rebut "even
the republicans voting on the issue said it was nothing more than a
political stigma to nail on Kerry and the Constitution has no place
for imposing on State rights". I then ask if the person is gay and
planning on being married soon to a gay person. I then go on to ask
how this met the criteria of my question. The conversation is over at
this point.

 

Well, I am trying very hard to not just lump all the democrats
together and call them socialists..... there are some independent and
republican socialists, too.

But.... since you asked:

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so·cial·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ssh-lzm)
n.
Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the
means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by
a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism
and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the
dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully
achieved.


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socialism

\Socialism\, n.

Socialism of the chair [G. katheder socialismus], a term applied about
1872, at first in ridicule, to a group of German political economists
who advocated state aid for the betterment of the working classes.
Sock \Sock\, v. t. [Perh. shortened fr. sockdolager.] To hurl, drive,
or strike violently; -- often with it as an object. [Prov. or Vulgar]
--Kipling.


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socialism

\So"cial*ism\, n. [Cf. F. socialisme.] A theory or system of social
reform which contemplates a complete reconstruction of society, with a
more just and equitable distribution of property and labor. In popular
usage, the term is often employed to indicate any lawless,
revolutionary social scheme. See Communism, Fourierism,
Saint-Simonianism, forms of socialism.

[Socialism] was first applied in England to Owen's theory of social
reconstruction, and in France to those also of St. Simon and Fourier .
.. . The word, however, is used with a great variety of meaning, . . .
even by economists and learned critics. The general tendency is to
regard as socialistic any interference undertaken by society on behalf
of the poor, . . . radical social reform which disturbs the present
system of private property . . . The tendency of the present socialism
is more and more to ally itself with the most advanced democracy.
--Encyc. Brit.

We certainly want a true history of socialism, meaning by that a
history of every systematic attempt to provide a new social existence
for the mass of the workers. --F. Harrison.


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As you can see above there is no definition of socialism in which any
holiday, act of kindness, or voluntary gift is considered socialism.

I realize that TG is not about gifts and handouts, but it's not about
socialism. It is not socialism because I invite my homies over to
have dinner with me and not ask them to chip in. ;-)

Unfortunately, as much as I agree with what you are saying your
statement is far to reaching. I do not feel that I should bear the
burden of those who are not willing to help themselves or work towards
the better good of society.

I don't believe the govt. should be directly involved with private
enterprise or the economic welfare of the people with the exception of
regulations to provide safety to those people (i.e. mandatory approval
process of drugs).

It's interesting to me that you are very much opposed to govt.
intervention, yet you appear to be arguing for socialism which, by
definition, requires govt. intervention.

SHIT!

SEe what you have done? You have corrupted me and here I am talking
about politics....grrrr....

I'll get you for this!!!

--Fullstate

Me and Mah 'Priller!

 

ROTFLMAO... Politics.. my ass.. Face it, Fullstate.. you are a born
politician.. You should be ashamed of yourself.. <sigh> See what too much
time in California does to you.??

Better get your butt out of that place and back in Texas.. At least you can
go to the next TMRA II meeting with me.. LOL

Your friend in Irving
Bill Walker

 

When is the next one? And where?
I'm TX, this week....but gone the next!


--Fullstate

Me and Mah 'Priller!

 

Let me get back to you on this.. I am thinking that Mike Alvey will hold his
meeting this Wednesday, but I'm not sure.. I have been gone for the past
several days, myself.. If it is this Wednesday, can I count on you to go
with me ?

Your friend in Irving
Bill Walker

 

Seems we agree on this a bunch.

The definitions are enlightening to those who have sought to couch their
desires in other terms.

The positional statement on governmental intervention is pretty close to
what I've posted here before.