more bike bashing ?

That depends... there was no pre license training done when I got my
motorbike license.


G-S

 

Yes - "Zebee said" was cut from a REPLY TO alx - this is a thread - things
follow in sequence...

It is patently obvious you don't understand sequence.

P

 

Come on Gerry - this a newsgroup on that Interwebby thing that Al wossisname
invented.

It has expected ways of doing things, because it is text based and thread
based. People look for replies to their posts directly linked by this
Interwebby server thingo not in some other random post further down the
thread, or off in some other thread altogether.

You however, continue to ignore convention and wonder why you don't get the
replies you hope for.

Good luck with that.

P

 

You are totally missing the point. I want to see licenced trained
people on the road rather than the rabble we have at the moment. I
simply do not see the connection between the piece of paper and any
competence on the roads. How many ways can I try and explain that to
you?

When they connect the piece of paper to some sort of competence I'll
be happy.

I'm not saying training is going to solve it, but simply having a
licence is not gunna solve a fucking thing.

Before I left Tassie I had the joy of driving with my 24 yr old
flatmate going for her Ls. (Why does Gen Y leave it so late?)

She is a scatterbrain at the best, more worried about whether the mags
are shiny and how her lipstick looks. She's also an intelligent girl
behind all that. But her concentration on driving was in the wrng
direction, even though she was forking out a fortune for professional
driving lessons.

She now has her Ps. And moved to Los Angeles when I moved to
Melbourne. I got a text from her last week when she hired a car on her
way out (I'm surprised they hired a car to a P plater) saying "I can't
handle the traffic in Melbourne, it shits me. Meet me in St Kilda".
God knows how she is going to go in LA.

But my point here is they are teachin beancounter skills, not driving
skills. I asked her a few things when I was brave enough to let her
drive (which she did fairly we thankfully) but it was obvious they
were teaching road law rather than survival skills.

 

In aus.motorcycles on Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:09:45 +1100

Teaching to the test.

If you don't have a lot of time - and lessons are expensive - then the
instructor has to teach you the physical skills (parking, hill start,
gear changes more or less smooth) and you have to mug up on the
questions in the test.

My driving instructor tried to give me the life lessons too, and did a
reasonable job in that I remember much of what he told me many years
later.

But... most people just want to pass the exam. ASk any teacher.

(Also, I think everyone learns to drive a car before they are 10 years
old. Like they learn most things in life. If the people who drive
them everywhere drive badly then that's what driving is. Think about
that next time you are lazy in traffic with kids in the car.)

Zebee

 

In WA as I believe in QLD, you must have an accompanying 'instructor'
when on L plates. The law says that that person may be riding another
motor cycle or be a pillion on the learners bike. I don't think I've
ever seen the second option exercised.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I think the instructor/pillion bit just got canned in Qld recently.
I've instructed a few people that way (and been instructed that way too). It
has it's moments; if the learner is smallish you can get them started by
having your fingers on the outside of the bars to cover the throttle and
levers for the starts & stops.

 

On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 08:22:29 +0000 (UTC), Zebee Johnstone wrote:

[...]

A powerful thing, that.

And that's the nail head well and truly hitted... the need for people
to do what others are doing without an understanding of what it takes
to do it

At 10yo I (and most of my schoolmates) was quite competent driving
farm trucks of the era - American 3 tonners mostly. In theory we were
confined to the paddocks but when parental backs were turned, on to
the roads we went. Mind you, I'm talking North Queensland in the 50s,
where the term "road" misrepresents actuality. For example, try
wrestling a 3 tonne Chev 6 with no brakes or clutch on a freshly
graded greasy backed black soil formation after a good thunderstorm
without winding up in the gutter thereby ensuring consequent parental
discovery... stuff like that.

I guess we were the dirt riders of that era - skilled and bullet proof
with absolutely no idea of things like traffic and the rules thereof.

Fortunately for me, I moved to Brisbane at 15 and came under the
influence of my uncle. The guy was a wonderful role model - a
professional driver in every way. One of the most important lessons he
taught me was that anger, or even irritability, have no place in
traffic. With courtesy and understanding, combined with smooth
handling, he could travel from one side of Brisbane to the other in
any traffic in far less time than anyone else I know.

I obtained my full licence on my 17th birthday (you could in those
days). Nearly 50 years later, after a few million ks with no insurance
claims and only a few small dings to my name (but a LOT of traffic
infringements, bloody speeding hoon that the Gummit says I am), I
finally meander to the point...

1. The development of technical skill combined with an good
understanding of the dynamics of a moving body both come with
experience and study, and the earlier one starts on this, the better.

2. Driving well in all situations cannot be properly understood until
it is demonstrated by a person of experience and ability.

OK so that's two points, but in a restatement of the bleeding obvious,
possession of a driver's licence only demonstrates that the bearer has
passed some tests on a few things. In no way does it demonstrate that
the bearer is a good, or even a competent person to be in charge of a
moving vehicle.

Therein lies the problem... how do you change the licensing system so
that only people who demonstrate that they can actually drive the
vehicle get to do so? It's a bit of a stable door - bolting horse
thing, and political dynamite that no Politician would touch with a
barge pole.

So just be careful out there, ya hear

 

That's because you are fucking old

 

Wow, fucking great ideas all coming out tonight
Scruby should have been used as an bumper bar years ago

 

And, if the learner is kinda cute, the instructor may get some slight
pleasure out of the experience. ;-)

regards,
CrazyCam

 

Nev.. wrote:

Works well, too!

When did you last hear of a pom being run down by an out of control TV?

regards,
CrazyCam

 

With knobless, it wouldn't matter
but by his previous posts, he would prefer it to be a male

 

When it gets thrown out of the window

 

Can't say that I even remember driving schools when I got my licence

 

120 hours instruction? Or 120 hours logbooked?

Christ, I had my pilots licence with less than 120 hours.

 

I'm not ducking and weaving. Don't put words into my mouth. I simply
fail to see your logic about simply being licenced means you are
competent and therefore less likely to die. I've never seen any stats
that can prove that licencing drivers dropped the road toll. I'm quite
happy for you o show me that evidence and I'll be quite happy to
accept it.

Again, I do believe everyone should be licenced. I just don't think
the two things are related.

 

Picture this - a group of people sitting around a table in a pub having a
chin wag.

Two of them go to the bar to get more drinks and continue the conversation.

One then says something to the effect of "why didn't one of the others
respond to the question I just asked?" to which his somewhat bemused mate
responds "because he's still over at the table, if you want him to answer
your question you should ask him over there".

First then gets all affronted and calls his mate a fascist for trying to
dictate how he runs his life and conducts his conversations.

Guess which party you are in this scenario?

P
HAND

 

At 15, he is already taller and heavier than his mother.

Theo

 

Some people can only spell reverse right two times out of four.

Theo