more bike bashing ?

Priceless moments...turning up to do MOST on a Rocket 3

 

In aus.motorcycles on Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:38:10 -0800 (PST)

If you can do the MOST on one, they'd probably give it to you.

I'll sell the tickets!

Zebee

 

In WA as I believe in QLD, you must have an accompanying 'instructor'
when on L plates. The law says that that person may be riding another
motor cycle or be a pillion on the learners bike. I don't think I've
ever seen the second option exercised.

Theo

 

In WA, the redefinition of mopeds was due largely to a campaign by the
legendary Ted Stolarski.

Theo

 

The above definition was cut and pasted from the Dept of Transport
website. However, intro models like the V-Moto Milan can't do 60.

Theo

 

In WA, bicycles, but not riders, were licenced up until about 1964.
There does not appear to have been a huge outcry about the sudden
increase in death toll of bicycle users the following year.

Theo
Who was once cautioned for riding an unlicensed bicycle and went and
paid the 2/6 next day.

 

Maybe that is because you directed your question to alx - who has in fact
replied...

P
HTH
HAND

 

I dunno how you can claim that. I tend to agree with it but there is
no logical sequence I can see that goes from someone having a licence
to lowering of death toll. I can see a logical sequence from training
to lowering of death toll, but unless that licence is made out of
bullet proof armour, it makes not a smeg of difference.

So yes, I really do need you to explain it to me.

 

So suspending licensing of motorised vehicles would have no effect on
the road toll, as long as the users remain licenced?

Theo

 

Doesn't the having of the license mean that you had done the required
traing? (are we back in the certification thread again?)

P

 

my bike would prob fail an iq test, let alone a knowledge test.

 

Not nerecessily. Training people to not park 2m from a corner or
learning how to reverse park is not going to save many lives as far as
I can see. I still don't see that bit of paper doing anything but keep
track of cars, creating revenue, etc. The fuckwits that die from
stupidity are often unlicenced anyway, so that bit of paper didn't
save the stats did it?

 

In WA as I believe in QLD, you must have an accompanying 'instructor'
when on L plates. The law says that that person may be riding another
motor cycle or be a pillion on the learners bike. I don't think I've
ever seen the second option exercised.

Theo

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Just trying to visualize a 15year old riding a moped with his mother on the
back.

 

In aus.motorcycles on Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:25:32 +1100

I'd say the majority of drivers who die are licenced.

(We know a high percentage of fatal motorcycle crashes are unlicenced
but that's cos dirt bikes get counted if they are within spitting
distance of a road)

What we don't know is how many would die if we didn't have licences.
Is whatever it takes to get a licence stopping them dying?

As new drivers are over-represented in crash stats I dunno it is.

Zebee

 

Now Kev, you are not trying to say that all drivers can reverse park are
you?

Training people to reverse park, doesn't automatically make them into a
great reverase parker.
Yet, they still seem to get their piece of paper
I would make a guesstimation that only 15% of drivers can revers park
properly
So, with that rate, how many of them can actually drive properly?

Too many learner drivers are getting through the testing system with only
the basic knowledge of driving abilities
Make them work harder for it and pass all tests with no demerits at all.
None of this : "Oh, you missed the complete stop at the sign and almost hit
the pedestrian, but you were great at driving in a straight line so, here is
your licence"

 

Agreed, not arguing that, but I think we are both making the same
point. Just because they are licenced does not stop them dying. 99.9%
of drivers are licenced I would imagine. Removing the licence from
them is not going to keep them alive. My point was more that if
someone who is going to drive in a dangerous situation has their
licence removed, they will still drive. Similarly the mentality that
puts someone like that on the road is not going to save them even if
they have the piece of paper - or probably driver training in some
cases. Tick, tick, tick.

Not at the moment.

Agreed.

Although there is also a thought that no matter how much training you
give young drivers, you will struggle to take the testosterone out
plus experience can only be gained by being out there. Chuck in some
common sense helps though.

Considering the crazy shit I've done on open roads, race tracks, off
road and in the sky, I should be dead. SRSLY. So I guess you have to
throw a bundle lof luck into the formula too.

 

Point taken

 

OK, so where do I line up for my pedestrian licence?

I'm not saying people shouldn't be licenced. That would be silly.
"Ooh, is it OK if I have a go at flying this 747 to London? Ripper
mate, thanks".

I just don't see any connection between current drivers/riders
licences having much effect on the road toll.

 

Maybe if you were ACTUALLY responding to Zebee you should have ACTUALLY
responded to Zebee...

P
Just a thought mind you

 

Bloody great idea Kev,
Not for you, but for the total pedestrian population,
then maybe we will not have so many pedestrian deaths if they know what
their responsibilities are and not throw the blame all the time onto the
vehicle driver/rider.