moped/scooter with car licence

I am 18 and have had a full car licence for about 6 months. I'm looking at
getting a 50cc thing for while I am at Uni but I was wondering what I am
entitled to ride and with what restrictions.

Do I need to do CBT? (I understand I might but would probably do it anyway)

Do I need to display L plates?

Can I carry passengers?

Does it need to be restricted?


I looked up a quick quote for a 50cc folding scooter and the third party
quote was £220 a year.
Does this sound a lot to you especially with a full car licence? I'm pating
about £500 for TP with a 1.4 VW polo at the moment.

Thanks
Tim

 

Tim Fish wrote

You have not read the ukrm ffaq? Or perhaps you have and the words too
big for you?

I am told that all these questions are answered in the ffaq, or links
from it.

They lied.

Bike insurance is much dearer than cage insurance, plus you are young
and inexperienced, therefore you are going to get hammered.

 

Hi Tim,

Even though you have a full car license you still need to do your CBT, quite
amazingly thats why it's called COMPULSARY BIKE TRAINING. Once you have
passed your CBT you can ride any bike/scooter upto a maximum of 125cc, you
still have to display L plates, you are not allowed to carry passengers.

If after you have done your CBT you want to take your bike license you can
do a proper test on a 125cc if you pass you can ride a 250cc bike
unrestricted for 2 years when you can then change your license to a full cat
A lic. OR, you can ride a big bike (over 250cc) but it does have to be
restricted, again this is for 2 years. OR, you can do your full test on a
big bike (500cc or above) when you pass this test you can ride any size bike
when ever you want.

To do your test from start, thats CBT, lessons and test on a big bike (most
trainers use 500cc) will cost in the region of £650 min.

Hope this answers your question OK.

J.

(remove YOUR PANTS to reply by e-mail.)

 

1. Please post BENEATH the message to which you are replying.

2. CBT = Compulsory _basic_ training.

3. Passing your CBT does not allow you to ride any bike up to 125cc, there
is an absolute power limit and a power/weight limit as well.

4. There are 3 different bike tests, none of them allows you to ride up to
250cc with no other restrictions.

5. Maybe just a pointer to a relevant web-site would have been more
helpful/accurate. http://www.dvla.gov.uk/drivers/rdmcycle.htm , for
example.

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Cataractonium wrote

<some top posted shite>

Sonny, in order to have anybody pay your advice any attention I suggest
you at least get yourself some basic credibility within the group.

Now **** off and read the ukrm cbt there's a good boy.

 

Folding scooter? is that so you can take it on the train more easily?

Do you own one?

They all do that sir.
That is steep for a polo.

I am 10 years older and the quotes for a newer bike I've been getting
are silly money. There is no win-win.

 

Folding scooter? is that so you can take it on the train more easily?

yeah maybe but also so i dont have to leave it on the street in london

Yeah we have one that somebody left in storage and i am considering giving
them an offer

not at 18, my mate got a quote for £2000 for hir standard fiesta 1.25

 

Even though you have a full car license you still need to do your CBT,
quite

main reason i asked is becasue the DVLA site says something about not
needing to do it if you got your car licence before feb 2001

 

5. Maybe just a pointer to a relevant web-site would have been more

yeah i did have a look there but it all seems very confusing, thats why i
asked here, thanks for your help.

Why is it that there are different levels of bike insurance but only one for
cars (there are obviosly one for HGV etc but no limit on engine sizefor
cars)

 

It does indeed say that, but as you've only had your licence 6 months it
doesn't apply to you.

So it's a CBT, I'm afraid, but don't be worried - it's quite a fun day out,
really (providing it doesn't piss down all day).


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?

I think you mean licence. And it is to stop learners from buying full
power superbikes and then doing themselves in 6 weeks later when it all
gets a bit out of hand resulting in increased premiums for the poor sods
who take care when on their bikes.

At least that's my take on it.

Really its just a government conspiracy to make sure that Tom Moore is
murdered by his local housing authority and their bent solicitors.

 

You have to ask yourself who all of these 17-20 year olds were who were
doing their olde style test and then going out and buying litre bikes and
wrapping them.

Surely by the time the DAS came in (96? 97?) the insurance companies were
doing a fine job of pricing that market sector out of existence.


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My mate was one of them. He bought a tuned CBR600 (admittedly not a
litre) with Dyno, K+N, pipe the week after passing his test and six
weeks later chucked it up the road into a junction box and did himself
some serious injuries.

And still are.

 

I think you mean licence.

I did, i must have insurance on the brain

I dont really understand why the bike insurance is so much though.
If you crash in a nice big car you can take out a whole que of people at a
bus stop and pluogh through a shop window causing £millions in damages
claims etc.
But then on a bike you are surely only really going to kill yourself

Tim

 

Dead men make no claims, eh?

I'm no expert on this, but I think there are a number of factors;

1. Statistically bikes do have more accidents than cars, so they're a
bigger risk.

2. Even low-speed bike accidents tend to do a lot of damage. All those
plastic fairings cost hundreds to replace, bend a frame and the bike is
certainly a write-off, etc.

3. While the rider is unlikely to mow down a bus-queue they can do serious
damage to their pillion, who can then claim against the rider's insurance.
Most insurance companies offer a small discount if you agree never to carry
a pillion.

4. Bikes are very easy to steal - when was the last time you saw four
blokes lifting a Merc into the back of a transit van?

5. Related to the above, it's very easy to _claim_ a bike has been stolen,
which is an easy way to get fully comp cover for the price of TPFT, if you
see what I mean.

6. There are few underwriters and brokers working the bike market place,
which means less competition.

7. Because bikes aren't manufactured in the same volume as cars parts are
disproportionately expensive. So much so that there are a number of
business that make a good profit by buying brand new bikes to break them for
spares. A bike that you'd pay 9 grand for brand new can easily represent 35
grand's worth of spares.

8. Insurance companies hate bikers.


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1. Statistically bikes do have more accidents than cars, so they're a

fair enough

my quote was third party

again my quote was with no pillion

Third party

quote was only third party, not even fire and theft

fair enough

TP insureance

this must be the real reason

 

Quite possibly.

To be fair car insurance has become stupidly expensive as well.

Just to make you sick, when I was your age (in 1989) it was quite possible
to get reasonable TPFT quotes for quite quick cars.

A friend of mine, the same age as me, had a Golf GTi, a Cavalier SRi, a
Datsun 280ZX and a Capri 2.8i ... all before he was 21.

For some reason the 280ZX was the most expensive to insure, which always
puzzled me as it wasn't very quick and was a heap of shite to boot. ISTR he
was paying in the region of 650 quid for TPFT.


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AndrewR said:

In the olden days they always loaded cars made by Johnny Foreigner as
the spares were considered unobtainable.

 

Just to make you sick, when I was your age (in 1989) it was quite possible

The cheapest quotes that friends of my age have are for classic cars (MGB
(£400), VW beetle(£350) etc...) and i have had a quote for a 1.4 litre,
100bhp, fibreglass, two seater convertable kit car, only mods that need
declairing are engine size and total value and fully comp quote at 18 years
old is... £850 with free breakdown assistance and there is no road tax
because it is based on a pre 1972 car. Still, i need to finnish it....

Tim

 

True, however in this case it may have been an attempt to stop people
driving the damn things.

For some reason all of the interior lights and the dial illuminations were
pink, which gave it a kind of whorehouse chic.

It also had an engine that _felt_ very powerful, until you put your foot
down.

No, that's not fair, when you put your foot down the engine still felt very
powerful, it just didn't feel as if any of the power was involved in
increasing the forward velocity.

And it handled like a fat slag on stilts.


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