Modify a BMW airhead?

Discussion in 'Motorbike Technical Discussion' started by sean_q, Apr 19, 2011.

  1. sean_q

    sean_q Guest

    I've always liked single-banger motors. Would it be possible
    to modify a BMW boxer motor such that the 2 cylinders'
    power strokes were simultaneous instead of alternating?

    In effect it would be equivalent to a thumper
    but better balanced for less vibes.

    SQ
     
    sean_q, Apr 19, 2011
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  2. sean_q

    ` Guest

    *Anything* is possible. All you have to do is pull the camshaft out,
    saw it in half, rotate the halves to achieve the firing order you
    want, and weld them back together.

    http://www.bikebandit.com/1973-bmw-r75-5/o/m295#sch324018
     
    `, Apr 19, 2011
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  3. Xposting to reeky since it's pretty slow

    Ought to be a piece of cake on a BMW oilhead,
    as there's a separate cam for each head. That may
    leave some interesting problems with the fuel injection,
    but hey, how hard a hack could that be ?

    http://tinyurl.com/3m3x3gr

    Reeky eagerly awaits the results of your experiments.
     
    Rob Kleinschmidt, Apr 22, 2011
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  4. I'm sure Sean would tell us ;-)
     
    The Older Gentleman, Apr 22, 2011
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  5. As I said though, if you could get the injection working,
    an oilhead engine might run using absolutely stock cams,
    as each oilhead cylinder runs off its own chain driven cam.
    I believe the oilhead is also lost spark ignition.

    Might even be something that could be cobbled up in the
    garage with no machining or electronic trickery. Not sure
    what's involved with the F.I. system.
     
    Rob Kleinschmidt, Apr 22, 2011
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  6. sean_q

    Mark Olson Guest

    It would be no problem at all to hook more than one injector up to fire
    from the same signal as the other injector, you'd need to use a driver
    circuit rather than just put the two injectors in parallel[1], but it
    would be pretty trivial.

    [1] which would probably work for a little while until the output
    transistor in the EFI computer blew out.
     
    Mark Olson, Apr 22, 2011
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  7. sean_q

    sean_q Guest

    Yesterday I phoned Shadbolt Cams Ltd in Vancouver.
    They would need a cam billet because too much material for welding
    would have to be added and then ground to fit in order to relocate
    two of the lobes 180 degrees (that much heat would warp the camshaft).

    However they do have a regrinding master pattern for the 1970 R75:
    http://www.shadboltcams.com/cycles.html

    The cam lobes are in pairs, but within each pair the lobes are not
    quite parallel; they're a few degrees apart. I can't figure this out.
    At first thought, why would the cylinders seem to have different
    valve timing -- and how would this relate to ignition timing?
    Are the cylinders not quite horizontal and 180 apart, or is it
    (on 2nd thought, duh...) merely because the pushrods are at an angle.

    The ignition fires at (or near) each TDC so there's a wasted spark
    at the end of the exhaust stroke. This feature would give me ignition
    on both cylinders at compression TDC (theoretically).

    SQ
     
    sean_q, Apr 22, 2011
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  8. Simple slave setup should do it ?

    No per-cylinder feedbacks to worry about I guess.

    An 1100 oilhead ought to be about the same price
    as an airhead these days.

    Go for it Sean. We'll hold your coat for you while you
    do battle with this project.
     
    Rob Kleinschmidt, Apr 22, 2011
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  9. sean_q

    Mark Olson Guest

    Even without doing anything to the injector timing at all it would
    still probably run OK-ish- it's not as if the fuel spray has to be
    timed exactly to the opening of the intake valve on a fuel injected
    engine, check Wikipedia's entry for the various flavors of multi-port
    fuel injection, esp. simultaneous mode.
     
    Mark Olson, Apr 22, 2011
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  10. sean_q

    Keith Guest

    Basically you want a big bang motor from a twin...you can do that with
    a harley it's called a twingle.
     
    Keith, Apr 22, 2011
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  11. sean_q

    Keith Guest

    He's wanting to make it either a twingle or a big bang motor. Twingle
    would work well, but big bang? Not so well I suspect.
     
    Keith, Apr 22, 2011
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  12. A horizontally opposed twingle would be challenging.

    AFIK, Spagthorpe was the only manufacturer who ever
    worked on this concept. Their Pariah enjoyed some
    success, but blown head gaskets were always a problem
    in the large common combustion chamber.
    was
     
    Rob Kleinschmidt, Apr 22, 2011
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  13. sean_q

    Twibil Guest

    Wouldn't it double the power-pulse load on the crankshaft as both the
    cylinders fired at once?

    Or is there something I'm not seeing here?
     
    Twibil, Apr 22, 2011
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  14. So is this the BMW or Dnepr clutch ? Or some
    unnatural combination of the two ?
     
    Rob Kleinschmidt, Apr 22, 2011
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  15. sean_q

    sean_q Guest

    Thanks for you generous offer. Just gimme a sec while I search
    Craig's for a suitable test candidate.

    Meanwhile I gotta figure out what to do with this R75/5 write-off
    I just bought. There are two applicants for its motor:
    the '78 Dnepr MT-10/36 and the R75/5 bare frame I also just bought.

    If I choose the Dnepr I'll need an adapter (~$100) so that
    the Soviet transmission will match up to the BMW motor (with some
    futzing. Someone local on the Dneprheads blog did the same
    conversion and is advising me on this).

    However if I build up the BMW frame to a complete bike then it'll
    cost me close to $2k to have the Dnepr sidecar fitted to it
    (at Side Effects in Kamloops).

    [...doing the math...]

    Uh, looks like the Dnepr wins. The bare frame will have to gather dust
    until some other bent Beemer shows up. Which it should, eventually,
    and I can afford to wait.

    ps. the bare frame came with a collection of loose parts. Mostly junk,
    but there are some usable pieces including cylinder heads. There is
    a R60/6 write-off available which could be upgraded to 750cc.

    SQ
     
    sean_q, Apr 22, 2011
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  16. sean_q

    Keith Guest

    No I think (but can't prove you are correct) that is the real problem.
     
    Keith, Apr 24, 2011
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  17. sean_q

    Keith Guest

    ah yes...sadly the web page is down so I can't research it, pitty that.
     
    Keith, Apr 24, 2011
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