mixing 2 stroke oil

Discussion in 'Motorbike Technical Discussion' started by Peter Z, Oct 13, 2003.

  1. Peter Z

    Peter Z Guest

    Have an old 84 2 stoke that requires 20-1 fuel mix. Bike has a lot of oil
    coming from muffler end. Can anyone explain if the recommend mixture set on
    the bike applies to any oil we have today, or to the oil the manufacturer
    was using back in 1984? Never really did understand the whole mixing and
    ratio thing.


    Peter
     
    Peter Z, Oct 13, 2003
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    Rein Guest

    you sur eit is 20:1 ? That is kind of high.

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    Rein, Oct 14, 2003
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    Charlie Guest

    I'd try a synthetic at 30:1 for starters, and see how that goes.

    Charlie
     
    Charlie, Oct 14, 2003
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    Greg Guest

    The gas/oil mixture ratio for a 2-stroke is determined by the oil far
    more than by the particular bike. The manufactures say 20:1 because
    that is safe using any old can of oil you have laying around. If you
    use a 2-stroke oil that advertises itself as "50:1" oil then you will
    almost certainly have no trouble with it mixed at 50:1.

    If you will used a synthetic 2-stroke oil such as Royal Purple or many
    other quality brands, you can can mix it at 50:1 with room to spare,
    so to speak. It will also quit smoking (once you have burned out the
    residual in the pipe) and it will quit clogging up the exhaust port
    and muffler with carbon.

    Again I will say it... the proper mixture ratio for a 2-stroke is far
    more a function of the quality of the oil than of the design of the
    motor.
     
    Greg, Oct 14, 2003
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  5. I wasn't aware that people used castor oil in motorcycles. That's the
    oil that's used for glow-plug model engines. That fuel also contains
    nitromethane, adding to the racy smell, but at least the smaller of
    these glow-plug engines lack any piston rings. And they're very easy
    to dismantle and ungum.

    I had a Suzuki GT-750 years ago, which used a separate oil tank and
    a variable stroke pump, controlled by the throttle setting. That bike
    would consistently misfire when run on Suzuki two-stroke oil, as was
    specified by the users manual. Running nearly any automotive 10w-30
    fixed the problem, at less than half the price for the oil. But the
    automotive oils did create more exhaust smoke. I had one person insist
    that my bike needed new rings, to fix the blue smoke. I just told him
    that it was normal for that model, and went about my business.
     
    Matthew Lundberg, Oct 15, 2003
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    Peter Z Guest

    Question answered. I thank everyone for there input.

    Peter
     
    Peter Z, Oct 15, 2003
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    ES Guest

    (Kaybearjr) wrote in

    More likely what you were noticing is the difference in carburettor
    jetting. If you are pre-mixing, 20:1 displaces more fuel in the air fuel
    mixture than 40:1. If the carburettor is jetted for a 20:1 mixture,
    changing to 40:1 represent increasing the jet size by about a half size
    richer (2.5% richer mixture). If your jetting was pretty good with 20:1,
    changing to 40:1 would make it less good, obviously. Stock jetting tends
    toward richness anyway, to keep nitwits from burning up their motors.
    Check your carburetion if you are changing mixture ratios.
     
    ES, Oct 22, 2003
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