Minor workshop miracle

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    SIRPip Guest

    This morning I went out to my little wood workshop, all full of good
    intentions, to finish a workpiece that has been sitting in the chuck of
    my lathe for a few days while I was doing other stuff. It is the fifth
    of six turned spindles which will fit between the curved back of a
    wooden chair and the seat, undertaken as a restoration job, to replace
    broken spindles.

    The turning is pretty straightforward, but getting the right colour and
    finish is fairly critical, as it has to match the existing spindles
    reasonably closely. To this end, the spindle has to be sanded smooth,
    then have a coat of mahogany (dark reddish-brown) stain applied, wait
    20 hours for it to dry and lightly sand it again, then it needs a coat
    of walnut (very dark brown) stain applied over the top. Give it 36
    hours minimum to dry hard, then using a couple of grades of Scotchbrite
    pads rub most of the walnut stain away to reveal most of the mahogany
    beneath, whilst maintaining a darker colour than mahogany overall, with
    dark grain and crevices, so it looks old. Then a high-speed run over
    with hard wax and a final buffing.

    Due to the complexity, it has taken me quite a while to get through the
    number I undertook to do, as I really CBA, you know? Not to mention
    the time and number of attempts it took to come up with the colouring
    process. It is a PITA, as the piece has to sit in the chuck through
    the whole process, as removing it will inevitably throw it out of true,
    no matter how carefully I mark it and replace it in exactly the same
    relationship to the chuck. This will affect the final finish, leaving
    duller areas - and it is so much easier to apply the stain with a cloth
    while revolving the chuck by hand.

    So ... out I went to commence the first stain application. Wafting the
    dust of several weeks away from the stain repository, I found the very
    jar - but it had slipped off the top of the other jars in its box and
    come to rest at an angle. Not only that, but being on the top shelf in
    the recent heat must have caused sufficient expansion to force some of
    the liquid stain through the jar seal and through the screw thread, as
    there was a dribble down the outside of the jar and a small dried-out
    puddle in the bottom of the box. Bugger.

    I had a twist at the lid, but it was stuck fast. I put a pair of latex
    workshop gloves on for better grip and gave it an energetic twist ...
    until I could see little flashing lights, but to no avail. Double
    bugger.

    Now this is a tiny glass jar of about 100ml capacity and by the time
    I'd got my thumb around it the two fingers that would fit around the
    other side overlapped. Not only that, but the hard and brittle plastic
    lid is only 7mm deep, so getting purchase is difficult. At great
    hazard to finger retention, I took a Stanley knife to the neck of the
    jar and cut around the joint of lid and jar, hoping to break the seal.
    Lots of tiny chips of hardened stain and a few of rapidly-moving glass
    and brittle plastic, but no subsequent lid movement.

    I knocked off for a coffee, a fag and a think.

    Obviously jamming the lid in a door wouldn't work, even though
    everybody's Dad used to get it to work (I had to give it a go anyway,
    for the sake of good form. I'll repair the door and frame later). I
    couldn't clamp it in a vice as either the glass or the lid would
    shatter. Smashing the lid off wasn't an option, as I'd want the
    remaining stain to finish the last spindle and if I transferred it to
    another container it would be dust by the time I needed it, no matter
    how much cling film I stuck over it.

    I undertook a foraging trip to the garage for engineering bodger's
    tools and cleared a space on the workshop floor. A baby boa
    constrictor:
    http://www.diy.com/diy/jsp/bq/nav.jsp?action=detail&fh_secondid=9271734&
    ecamp=trf-005&CAWELAID=266881247
    around the jar, then a plumber's screw-adjustable pair of mighty grips
    around the lid. With a foot on the constrictor (hey, it takes oil
    filters off) I adjusted the sharp-toothed jaws of the grips to /just/
    bite into the plastic of the lid.

    Half a circuit of the jar to get some tension on the Boa's rubber and
    get optimal adjustment on the grip jaws, four working circuits of the
    lid and nothing had happened apart from covering my specs with
    miniscule, highly static-charged fragments of lid plastic and much
    fraying of nerves and knuckles.

    Having run out of bottle, swears and nicotine I retired for a coffee
    and a fag.

    Resigned to the inevitable breaking of the lid, I returned to the
    bloody jar twenty minutes later. "Just one more go". I can never
    resist, you know. One annahalf fingerwidths on the jar, half a finger
    on the lid and twist - pop. Well, I'm buggered.

    How did that happen, then? OK, it had been sitting in the sun for 20
    minutes, but I'm certain it hadn't moved during the tool-assisted
    rotations - and I gave it a twist after I'd put the tools away, just
    for the sake of it. I don't really care how TBH, just that it did.

    The penultimate spindle is drying in the lathe now, looking very
    mahogany. Another three days and I can start on the last one. I'll
    grease the jar thread though, just to be sure.
     
    SIRPip, Aug 11, 2010
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    Eiron Guest

    Corona Cola? Are you sure it wasn't Dandelion and Burdock?
     
    Eiron, Aug 11, 2010
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    TOG@Toil Guest

    <snip>

    In my experience of stuck-lids-on-jars-an'-bockles, it was the sun
    that did it. I've always found that soaking the jar and lid in really
    hot water does the trick.
     
    TOG@Toil, Aug 11, 2010
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    SIRPip Guest

    The hot water trick did occur during the fag/coffee/think, but as the
    jar contained my last 15cc of water-based mahogany-coloured wood dye, I
    was unwilling to risk contamination and thus, dilution.

    Thing is, the leverage I had on the thing with the boa/wrench was huge.
    The boa was holding the base firm, preventing the glass jar turning,
    while I was shaving plastic off the lid with the wrench - and it was
    taking a fair bit of push to turn the wrench. And I kept screwing the
    jaws a bit tighter every revolution, as tight as I dared. Yet the lid
    never moved - not a fraction, not one bleedin' iota. 20 minutes later
    it unscrewed by hand as easily as if it had never been stuck.

    Plastic, even hard and brittle plastic, expands a great deal more than
    glass, I suppose.
     
    SIRPip, Aug 11, 2010
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    Thomas Guest

    Perzackly. Coefficient of Thermal Expansion 'n all that.
    Manufacturing plants often have freezers and ovens to make assembling
    parts easier when there are tight fits. Heating a sticky bolt will
    often help get it off.
     
    Thomas, Aug 11, 2010
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    Catman Guest

    NAHAY?


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    Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply)
    116 Giulietta 3.0l Sprint 1.7 GTV TS GT 3.2 V6
    Triumph Sprint ST 1050: It's blue, see.
    www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk
     
    Catman, Aug 11, 2010
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    SIRPip Guest

    Another year older, another year closer to undoing. Leave it for a
    couple of seasons and give it a go in Spring, innit.
     
    SIRPip, Aug 11, 2010
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    zymurgy Guest

    If this is the broken pub stool that you told us about over 6 months
    ago, then I would venture that the 'few days' is a dirty great lie,
    you cad and bounder.

    Paul.
     
    zymurgy, Aug 11, 2010
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    Zeb Johnson Guest

    Pip said" so it looks old."

    Do you do wall paintings?

    J/K
     
    Zeb Johnson, Aug 11, 2010
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    Thomas Guest

    Why, has SIRPip expounded on sticky bolts before?
     
    Thomas, Aug 11, 2010
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    Zeb Johnson Guest

    (TOG@Toil)
    <snip>
    In my experience of stuck-lids-on-jars-an'-bockles, it was the sun that
    did it. I've always found that soaking the jar and lid in really hot
    water does the trick.

    Sounds right--As I've had to heat many bearings to get them on shafts or
    shrink
    the shaft using Co2 if bearing was to big to heat.
     
    Zeb Johnson, Aug 11, 2010
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    Catman Guest

    Standard UKRM answer, just after 'angle grinder'

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    Catman, Aug 11, 2010
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    SIRPip Guest

    I should coco. I've done all the pub stools and several chairs now. I
    tell you, I'm getting good at furniture restoration: once you've
    summoned up the bottle to break the thing apart properly so you can get
    at it, you're a good way there.

    No, these are spindles for a "Captain's Chair" for our dear landlord.
    One of those things with a semi-circular back/arms that seem to come
    all the way around: green leather, set on castors. Much more delicate
    than the pub furniture.
     
    SIRPip, Aug 11, 2010
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    SIRPip Guest

    Do you do breathing through your mouth?
     
    SIRPip, Aug 11, 2010
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    SIRPip Guest

    Once or twice. Are your nuts sticky?
     
    SIRPip, Aug 11, 2010
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    SIRPip Guest

    Gixxer Thou.
     
    SIRPip, Aug 11, 2010
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    wessie Guest

    I like them. Very difficult to fall out of. Although, never seen one with
    castors. Seems counterintuitive for a chair to be used on the deck of a
    ship or by a pisshead in a bar.
     
    wessie, Aug 11, 2010
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    SIRPip Guest

    Home office type seating accommodation.

    They've been putting castors on 'em for a while, it seems:

    http://www.sellingantiques.co.uk/antiquedetail.asp?autonumber=42834

    And still do:

    http://www.designersofas4u.co.uk/images/pictures/product-images/chesterf
    ield-range/chesterfield-captains-chair.jpg

    http://www.chesterfieldsdirect.co.uk/captains.html
     
    SIRPip, Aug 11, 2010
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    Catman Guest

    etc etc

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    Catman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3
    Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply)
    116 Giulietta 3.0l Sprint 1.7 GTV TS GT 3.2 V6
    Triumph Sprint ST 1050: It's blue, see.
    www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk
     
    Catman, Aug 11, 2010
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    wessie Guest

    wessie, Aug 11, 2010
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