Middle East Oil Dependency and Peace and Riding...

I live in America. America has no problems except for idiots obsessing

I wasn't talking about pork barrel politics at which both parties feed, I
was referring to those who's attitudes reflects the great traditions of the
democratic party...take money away from everyone in huge quantities, but
particularly from those who's hard work and energy and drive have obtained
them more, and keep 40%, and pass out whats left to those without the energy
and drive and hard work ethic, and get elected because there are more
have-nots than haves.....simple election mathematics....thank god they are
so incompetent that they have screwed it up pretty well lately.....

 

That's why Arnold is good for California... plenty of Republican pork...

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Shipping will be $78 US. They're from Greece you know.

 

Got lots of that too, but if we ever run out we have a shitload of

yeah, but us Americans were smart enough not to sign it....

 

Possibly the 500-10000 gigatons of oceanic methane hydrates.

And if things really got desperate I might even consider insulating
the sucker a little better.

 

see....there you go. So few people worry about gas hydrates or even know
what they are or how much there is that they lock their sights on Colin
Campbell and friends and ignore what happens whenever the marketplace runs
into a potential roadblock. Someone, usually an american, figures out
another way to skin a cat.

I'd drive a more efficient motorcycle.

 

Spin it however you choose if it makes you feel better, but the bottom
line is right now oil from Albertas Tar sands equals 5% of your
imports. Not an insignificant amount. Forecasts indicate 1.9
million BPD by 2010 and potentially 5 million BPD by 2015. The sands
currently generate 95,000 high paying jobs for Canadians. There has
been approx. 24 billion invested in the tar sands to date and approx.
6 billion this year alone.

Yup spin it however you wish, but there is not a State in your union
that would not want that industry.

Don Binns
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Our market is free and allows me to drive a cage made in any country
of the world I choose.

It's not a question of what you can live without, it is a question of
why do you want to pay more than market value for food and shelter.

Conceivably you could hunker down in canvas hut, eat chipmunks and
squirrels, stay warm by the heat of a fire and still live without any
products from Canada. But why would you want to?

Oh, you can have Celin. <g>


Don Binns
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Kyoto does nothing to limit the production of greenhouse gases. It is
merely a method to transfer revenue and wealth from modern
industrialized countries to those less developed.



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Well...this is a wonderful thing, 5% of our imports, but I guess the
question is so what? I could say that 5% of our oil comes from 10 wells in
Saudia Aradia as well....good I suppose.....I would venture that Iraq sells
us more oil than the Albertan tar sands and its much easier to get at,
considering we own the place and its much cheaper to produce.....myself, I
like the 10 wells in Saudia Arabia pumping out more than 30 years of tar
sand developement...but hey...to each his own.

None of this is spin by the way, just numbers. I realize you seem to have
this affinity for Albertan tar sands, but that doesn't make them the worlds
savior energy source by a long shot.

Let me demonstrate why, while interesting, those numbers are actually
terrible. 6 billion this year to generate 219 million barrels yields about
what, $27/BBL of expenditure? Compare that to one of those saudia well...or
iraqi wells...or even a well into the Berea SS of Ohio.

In Saudia, call it $2M sunk for 25M BBL, $0.08/BBL. Perhaps the Berea of
Ohio? Lets say $100G's, 50,000 BBL, which is $2/BBL.

So....economics of the industry being what they are, lots of people are
going to be drilling lots of wells everywhere else before they get all fired
up on Albertan tar sands any more than they have in the past. Those numbers
you are quoting? Been around awhile....a natural consequence in the oil and
gas industry of something which didn't pan out the FIRST time someone
claimed we would save the world through technology and tar sands....

I would only venture that oil shales here in the US have a tremendous in
place value, just like the tar sands in Alberta. And people down here have
been talking about getting around to turning them into something for a few
decades. My guess is they'll get around to it sometime, just like biomass
and better fuel efficiency and everything else we ought to do, but don't.

 

Kyoto...

And in the fine socialist state of Canada, whats wrong with that idea?

 

Although you prefer not to see it, it is happening.

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Let's do the comparison. Compare all the spin off value of the tar
sands and you can see the economic benefit for Alberta from your lust
for fuel. If you are talking about stimulating the economy it is in
fact better for Albertans if it costs more to extract oil from the
sands. Jobs, consumer goods, tax base. Far better than the dollars
going to some Saudi or big oil company.

Don Binns
84 - Virago 1000

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I don't recall saying that, my point was and is your thirst for fuel
is keeping me and my neighbours flush in this thriving economy.

Don Binns
84 - Virago 1000

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Not wanting to turn this into we should have or we shouldn't have
invaded Iraq conversation, but if you choose to imply you own Iraq I
would suggest the ride sure isn't worth the fare. Considering the
purchase price for those Iraqi wells Alberta oil is a far better
bargain.

Besides after all of this time you still seem to be having trouble
getting the oil out of the ground and out of the country. I am not
sure I would want to go into a cold winter counting on supply from
Iraq to keep me warm.

You place a lot of value in those 10 Saudi wells.

Now if the ten Saudi wells are equivalent to 5% of your imports then
by extension 200 Saudi wells would meet all of your import
requirements. Now I suspect Saudi Arabia has more than 200 wells, but
they only produce around ten million BPD. Yet the US consumes twenty
million BPD. Seems there is a flaw in your math.

Don Binns
84 - Virago 1000

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Well when you do, give us a call we will teach you how to do it..

Don Binns
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Unfortunately not all of us are socialists. Our Federal leaders seem
to get a lot of warm fuzzy feelings by buying into an agreement with
impossible goals, does nothing to accomplish the task at hand and if
followed through to completion will involve massive transfers of cash
to third world nations and Russia.

Are they blind?

Don Binns
84 - Virago 1000

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So....economics of the industry being what they are, lots of people are

What are you talking about? I've been in the industry since the mid-80's, I
saw it when people talked it up 2 decades ago...and here we are, 20 years
later, and its 600,000 BBL/Day....gee.....wow.....forgive me for not getting
all excited and all, but been there, done that applies.

 

Hey, I worked in Canada for an entire year, from Weyburn in Saskatchewan to
Lesser Slave Lake in Alberta, I'm not argueing the financial benefits of
having a thriving oil and gas industry of any size, shape, or assemblage,
what I'm saying is the world is not going to run off of Alberta tar sands
oil this particular decade, perhaps even century.

Hey...I love Alberta, good people, I agree with you, I'd rather keep their
economy afloat than the Saudia's as well, but facts be facts, and its
cheaper to produce Saudia crude than Alberta tar sand crude, any day of the
week, any month of the year, for the foreseeable future.

 

No beefs from me then, Americas thirst for fuel is going to provide me with
a good salary until the day I get out of the game.