Melting Ice?

Have you come across the work of Theodor Landscheit? Some interesting stuff
on prediction of sunspot activity levels.

http://www.john-daly.com/solar/solar.htm
Also:
http://mitosyfraudes.8k.com/Calen/Landscheidt-1.html
http://www.john-daly.com/theodor/co2new.htm

Another thing which needs explaining to me by the proponents of MMGW is why
the ice core samples show that increases in CO2 historically lag behind rises
in temperature by 800 years. Increasing temperature causes a rise in CO2
rather than the opposite.

 

Not by very much it won't. I think you may be confusing density and volume
there Elly. If I dissolve 100g salt in 100cc of water it'll weigh more but it
doesn't change volume by a significant amount.

Denser means heavier for the same volume.

 

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Oh. Not air-conditioner manufacturer, then.

 

One of my all time favourite charities, that bunch.

Ali

 

Hog wrote;

I feel slightly less alone.
I am trying to collect information comparing relative production of CO2,
man v. nature, over the last 200 years. Until I get a good handle on
this (if it is even possible), I have to devalue anything said about
global warming until I have a clear picture of the speakers motives and
agenda.
Elly, for example, fails to note that Milankovitch's proposition is a
speculation or, at best, a theory, and that the collapse of deep sea
flows will contribute to greater stratification of ocean waters, thus
high surface temperatures and hence evaporation rates, which could
result in much faster cycling of water and removal of CO2.

At the moment the best info. I can find suggests that man's contribution
to CO2 amounts to 2 percent max., but that data seems impossible to
confirm or refute, because of all the tub-thumping and politiking going
on.

<rant>
The fact is, capitalism is the global way, it is fundamentally
incompatible with conservation of resources and environment. A
steady-state requires a global authoritarian organisation, global
nuclear power, global land management, mandatory population reduction,
not just control. The chance of any of this occurring seems remote, not
to say undesirable.
Live fast, die young is the way man is going, whether he/she likes it or
not.
Anything else is just tinkering.
Anyone who thinks life is more than a transient eddy in the entropic
river has not come to terms with reality, and is the reason we have
religion.
Ice ages do not kill off adaptable species.
</rant>

 

You're confusing mass and weight.

 

Err, I think it will, though I'm still confused as to how the sea
level will rise if the ice melts. Not sure that's right TBH.

 

<slap> Pedant ;o)
Melting of the North Polar ice cap will not bring sea levels up 7 meters
or whatever though. I'd quite like a Scotland that is warmer in summer
and much colder in winter. Skiing has been shite for several years.

 

I'm not sure whethre it will or won't either but surely it's a pretty
simple experiment:
Put some ice in a bowl and add enough saline solution so that it is
level with the top of the bowl.
Wait for the ice to melt and see if any water overflows.

 

Because most of the ice, in Antarctica at least, isn't actually sitting
in the sea - it's sitting on land.

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PS
I have just taken delivery of 2300 litres of oil. Lovely oily stuff it
is,
I'm going to burn it...

 

Mine too

 

Because a lot of the ice is actually on land?

Greenland has an large (as in very deep) icecap as does Antarctica (2km
think in places if I remember correctly).

If *all* that ice melts then the seas would indeed rise. As happened at
the end of the last ice age - for a substantial part of the last ice
age there was a land-bridge between France and the UK. As the ice
started melting the land-bridge disappeared.

Phil

 

I saw the "Mort" and thought of death.


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<pratchett>

THAT'S NOT FUNNY

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We weren't talking about all the land bound ice, just the North Polar
cap.

 

The sea-level rise associated with global warming is mostly from
land-ice melting. There is a rise associated weith sea-ice melting
(water as ice occupies more volume than water as water - which is why
ice floats - but since it floats partly out of the water it actually
displaces less water as ice than it does as water[1]) but it's pretty
small compared to the Antarctic ice-melt effect.

And I know you were not specifically talking about land-ice but you
*were* talking about sea-level rising due to global warming - which is
mostly caused by land-ice melting.

Phil.

[1] Have a look at http://www.physorg.com/news5619.html

 

Ahh yes, I know that but I was, in the best of reporting traditions, going
for effect rather than accuarcy

 

We were discussing the *Arctic* polar cap specifically, which is
floating.

 

Yes, but my question was specifically about an apparent claim that
floating ice melting would raise sea levels due to density changes. I
don't think it would.