Marauder won't start, no fuel

Discussion in 'Motorbike Technical Discussion' started by prowlerman99, Aug 9, 2006.

  1. prowlerman99

    prowlerman99 Guest

    I have a 98 800 cc maurader that just started shutting down last night
    like it was out of gas right after I filled the tank. It started
    sputtering, front cylinder shut down then the rear. I let it sit for
    about 1/2 hour and it started up and ran fine on a 4 mile test drive.
    Then started it up to drive to work this morning and it did the same
    thing after about 1/2 mile. Started sputtering and shut down like it
    was out of gas. It would start and run for a few seconds if I didn't
    give it any throttle. Had to push that sucker about 1 mile to get it
    home.
    Anyway I drained the tank and the gas looks good, air filters are
    spotless, (bike only has 3,900 miles on it. I am suspecting the fuel
    pump. Does anyone know how to test one or if it's possible. I found a
    new pump is $198. so I need to make sure that's it first. When I turn
    the engine over I cannot feel any suction or vibration from the pump
    to
    make me believe it's working. My multi meter says I am getting power to
    the connector.
    Any ideas?

    Thanks,
    Brian
     
    prowlerman99, Aug 9, 2006
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    John Johnson Guest

    Typically, one tests a fuel pump by directing the output of the pump
    into a container and running the pump for a specified period of time,
    then measuring the output. The factory service manual should have the
    test in it, I'd think.

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    Later,
    John



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    John Johnson, Aug 10, 2006
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  3. prowlerman99

    FB Guest

    I looked at the parts diagrams on www.partsfish.com and I see that
    there is a fuel pump relay in the circuit.

    Fuel pump relays are usually just simple devices that have a control
    circuit and power contacts to carry the heavier current that the
    engineer didn't want going through the ignition switch.

    More complicated fuel pump control relays have timers or they have to
    get a "run" signal from the engine control unit telling them that the
    engine is running (or being cranked by the starter).

    You probably hear the fuel pump relay click when you first turn the
    ignition key on and you say you have power to the pump.

    Is the pump a rotary type that goes "whirrrr", or is it a solenoid type
    that goes "clickety click?"

    The solenoid type will have a set of contacts inside that shut off
    power to the solenoid when it moves, then a spring returns the solenoid
    core to the original position and the
    electromagnetic winding is reneergized, moving the core the the other
    position, opening the contacts and on and on and on.

    Some pumps have a removable cap where you can get at the contacts and
    clean them.

    The rotary type fuel pump would have brushes inside and an electrical
    armature. Sometimes brushes wear out, or the commutator on the armature
    gets dirty.

    How about a fuel filter? Is there a fuel filter on the intake or outlet
    side of the pump?

    I was having a fuel starvation problem with my pickup truck, which has
    a solenoid type fuel pump. I thought the original fuel filter was clean
    enough, but when I blew back through the fuel hose into the gas tank,
    it cleaned the filter well enough that the starvation proble went away.
     
    FB, Aug 10, 2006
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    Tom Guest

    I'd try the coil and the fuel pump (maybe the fuel filter) sometimes in
    these days of shortages the gas is so old it is ready to be thrown
    away. If gas stinks like gas, it's older than me.
     
    Tom, Aug 10, 2006
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    prowlerman99 Guest

    Thanks for all the help guys.
    This bike has a fuel filter in at the tank outlet and on built onto the
    fuel pump. The one at the tank outlet is clean because I got an
    excellent flow of fuel through it while running the fuel out of the
    tank. I am thinking it's the fuel pump/filter because I disconnected it
    from the fuel system, filled the filter with fuel then tried to start
    the bike. While cranking the bike I held the pump and could not feel
    any vibration like it was running nor did I get any fuel flow from the
    outlet. There are four wires going to the pump. one hot, 1 ground and
    not really sure what the other two are for. I also used my dmm and do
    have voltage to the pump however if the relay is built onto the end of
    the fuel filter/pump that could be my problem. I'll tear it down to see
    what it looks like. I'll also trace the wirs and see if they go to a
    seperate relay.

    Thanks again for all the help and suggestions.
    Brian
     
    prowlerman99, Aug 10, 2006
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