Mainstream Motorcycling

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by elyob, Feb 22, 2005.

  1. elyob

    elyob Guest

    MOVE TO MAINSTREAM MOTORCYCLING
    Road Safety Minister David Jamieson today announced the publication of the
    first National Motorcycling Strategy designed to ensure the "mainstreaming"
    of motorcycling as a means of transport.
    http://www.dft.gov.uk/pns/DisplayPN.cgi?pn_id=2005_0017
     
    elyob, Feb 22, 2005
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    dwb Guest

    Have you managed to locate the actual strategy/publication though?
     
    dwb, Feb 22, 2005
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  3. elyob

    dwb Guest

    http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/dft_rdsafety/documents/page/dft_rdsafety_030137.pdf

    Is actually quite interesting if you have the time to read it.

    I think it's where this idea to "mainstream" comes from.

    Now if only they could work on some of the other things mentioned (such as
    testing manhole covers, determining whether having headlights permanently on
    is working etc)
     
    dwb, Feb 22, 2005
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  4. elyob

    dwb Guest

    Unlikely to have any effect on those already with licences though I would
    have thought.
     
    dwb, Feb 22, 2005
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    CT Guest

    Of the bits that I read, I noticed in particlar the bits about
    bus lanes and Advanced Stop Lines whereby it appears
    that the pedal-cycling community seem to have had a fairly
    large amount of input, and consider PTWs to be more
    'car-like' than 'bicycle-like' and we should therefore be
    kept apart.
     
    CT, Feb 22, 2005
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    Alex Ferrier Guest

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    Alex Ferrier, Feb 22, 2005
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  7. elyob

    Alex Ferrier Guest

    Nope, might be doing a bit of work for the evil empire next month though.
    Still in kitchen fitter mode/general layabout mode atm. :eek:)

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    Alex Ferrier, Feb 22, 2005
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    Dan White Guest

    I've heard this before from the cycling types before, and yet I can't think
    of a single instance in almost six years of biking around Bristol[1] where I
    have shared the advanced stop area with more than two cycles, and I've
    *never* got so much as a second glance for it. Personally I think:

    a) Motorbikes should be encouraged to use this area as it reduces the risk
    of being sideswiped/nudged as the lights change.
    b) It's probably about 2% of cyclists that object to motorbikes being there,
    but as usual they are the mouthy cunts.

    [1] Actually one of the more motorbike friendly cities. You can use bus
    lanes, shellgrip in places, lots of secured parking in the centre etc
     
    Dan White, Feb 22, 2005
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    dwb Guest

    The example given was where a cyclist wanted to turn right - and I can see
    their point for that one.

    But then further on it mentions how they're totally ignored in London anyway
    and that where the conducted the trial didn't have enough cyclists :)
     
    dwb, Feb 22, 2005
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  10. steve auvache, Feb 22, 2005
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    Dan White Guest

    Ok, I could kinda see that, but if that were the case, surely they would be
    positioned to the right *anyway*. If they weren't, put themselves close to
    the left of the biker and signal right. Biker pulls away faster than
    cyclist, cyclist moves over about two feet to the right and stops fucking
    whinging...
    Butbutbut... <sigh> never mind...
     
    Dan White, Feb 22, 2005
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    Pip Guest

    I just can't stop chortling at the abbreviation of Highways Agency to
    HA, myself.
    I see they're looking at wire rope fencing (the motorway/dual
    carriageway central ones always look a bit keen on amputation to me)
    and other ways to make the environment a bit more sliding body
    friendly. Ripping out 3/4 of the road furniture would make life
    easier and more sustainable imo.
     
    Pip, Feb 22, 2005
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  13. Bear wrote
    They kin pay attention to it when I get in front of them, that I can
    promise you.
     
    steve auvache, Feb 22, 2005
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    dwb Guest

    I thought that it was actually a very good document - it appeared balanced
    and informative, presenting things that actually made sense.

    Of course it probably won't be interpreted as such - "it says here
    motorcyclists die - we can't have that"
     
    dwb, Feb 22, 2005
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  15. elyob

    dwb Guest

    It's all about education if you ask me.

    The cyclists see it as "infringement/dangerous"
    The motorcyclists can't understand the fuss.
    The car drivers see it as "jumping the queue".

    If we could just change it to be "the way it is", then I think life would be
    alot simpler - especially the last one
     
    dwb, Feb 22, 2005
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    Ben Guest

    Actually no. As a cyclist you want to be sat _in front_ of the first
    car at the lights. That way you can control them as you pull away
    rather than have them push you over into the gutter. Remember a
    decent cyclist can accelerate quicker than just about anything on the
    road for about 15-20 metres. Enough to clear the junction and then
    let traffic past.

    Now when you've got a motorcyclist trying to do exactly the same thing
    it can get a bit confusing.

    Mind you I couldn't give a toss. My maxim of riding a push bike in
    town is stay the **** out of everyone's way and uses whatever bit of
    tarmac I feel like, no matter where it is.
     
    Ben, Feb 22, 2005
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    platypus Guest

    It's got to be a spoof.
     
    platypus, Feb 22, 2005
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    Eiron Guest

    They want everyone to ride Fazers and VFR800s (para 61)
    so it must be a spoof.
     
    Eiron, Feb 22, 2005
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    DR Guest

    I'm having some difficulty with the concept of a cyclist actually
    stopping for a red light. You may have to explain it to me in simple
    terms.
     
    DR, Feb 22, 2005
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  20. Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, DR
    It's not always convenient for them to get straight onto the pavement,
    sometimes they have to pause briefly to barge a granny or two out of the
    way.

    HTH.

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    Wicked Uncle Nigel, Feb 23, 2005
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