Magistrate insanity

To take your argument to the end then, someone should only go to jail
if they kidnapped someone and locked them in a room . Fines should
only be given to people who steal money . . .

That said, I do find that licence removal a little odd. But as others
say, it is a penalty. He get didn't deterred by fines. You can hardly
lock him away for a barking dog, expensive and putting people in
prison is that last thing on an overcrowded system. It's a penalty
that will inconvenience him. So the more I think about it the more I
can't see why not.

 

Believe it or not, non licence holders can have penalties applied, they
will be activated if they ever get a licence.

 

Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Matt B

"The law is a ass!"

 

Ypou get points even if you don't have a licence - there's a mechanism
by which the points accumulate even if you don't have a licence. When
you get a licence, it will have the points on. It's the way under-age
joyriders (for example) get points. It's set out in Section 45 of the
Road Traffic Offenders Act, which has such phrasing as "whether he is
at the time the holder of a licence or not" and so on.

regards, Ian SMith

 

No use if the criminal has no intention of ever getting a licence though.

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Beav

VN 750
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took a blunt brush and painted...

That is true. Shame on me.

I think Auvache gave the most reasonable answer anyway.

 

Phil W Lee took a blunt brush and painted...

*boggle* Where on earth do you live?

Where I live if my light has turned to red I know the lights in the
intersecting lane have turned to green.

And cars are a lot more likely to drive through a green light than a red one.

Ergo you have a lot more chance of getting run over riding through a red
light.

Also cars very rarely jump red lights round here. The lights change quite
quickly, people set off when the light changes to green quite quickly. Anyone
jumping a red light has an extremely high chance of having a serious
accident.

Plus I would hazard a guess that getting hit up the rear by a car produces a
lot less severe injuries than getting side swiped by one, a push bike really
doesn't like to go sideways, usually preferring a nice lie down, right under
a set of car wheels.

Lastly, if this is the case where you live, wouldn't it make more sense for
you, knowing the habits of the drivers, upon approaching a red light to pull
over to the left of the road (which is where slower traffic should be anyway)
and stop? You minimise your chances of being collected by any red light
jumper then *and* completely eliminate the chances of being collected by a
car driving through their green light.

URL link?

I'd hazard a guess that a cyclist riding along at night with no lights is
quite likely to be rammed up the arse, regardless of stopping for a red light
or not.

Please explain how a cautious, unlit cyclist, riding at night, reduces the
chances that *other* road users, who haven't even seen them, will take
avoiding action to ensure they do not hit them or present a danger to them.

 

Generally it is better to pull in to the centre of the lane to signify to
the driver behind that, this is not a very good time to overtake. This
usually works but I have had it where a driver is so hell bent on jumping
the light that they overtake anyway.

I would suspect that the unlit cyclist knows that they are invisible and
therefore it us up to them to make sure they are not in anyone's way. Unlike
the cyclist who has lights who falls in to this false sense of thinking
others can see them.

 

I've *never* been overtaken at a red light by a car so desperate to get
through that he's overtaken and jumped the lights. Mind you, I've only been
driving/riding for 44 years so it'll probably happen tomorrow.

I would susoect you're giving your average cyclist credit where none is due.


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Beav

VN 750
Zed 1000
OMF# 19

 

He certainly made a point.


--
Beav

VN 750
Zed 1000
OMF# 19

 

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off
the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the
Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time... like tears
in rain... Time to die.

 

Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, David Hansen

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off
the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the
Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in
rain. Time to die.

 

Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Wicked Uncle

<G>

Two minds with but a single thought.

Between them.

 

Sorry dynamo, er what ?

You are saying that you have seen people overtaking others just in order
to pass through a red light ?

Another of your loony outbursts

 

Impossible round here - the pavements are full of twats on pushbikes,
most of whom ignore traffic lights completely

 

On which planet?

--
Many cyclists are proving the need for registration by their contempt for the Highway Code and laws.

The answer:
All cyclists over 16 to take compulsory test, have compulsory insurance, and be registered.
Registration number to be clearly visible on the back of mandatory hi-viz vest.
Habitual law breakers' cycles confiscated and crushed.
(With thanks to KeithT for the idea)

 

I saw two cyclists collide in the middle of a junction last week, near
Tooting Bec. One of those junctions where the traffic stops completely,
to allow people to cross every which way.

Both sailed straight through the red lights, at right angles to each
other, and then they saw each other.

One feinted left, the other right, so they changed direction and were
still on a collision course. The first now feinted right, and the other
left. Still on a collision course. There was a squealing of manky brake
shoes on rims and they actually contacted, albeit at 0.00001mph. Shame
it wasn't at higher speed, really.

Oh, and on the way home some guy on one of those single speed thingies
tried doing the baancing act at the lights, failed, fell over, and
collected his neighbour cyclist. That was funny, too.

They can wave their green credentials as much as they like, but if I hit
one of these twats on my Suzuki it's going to hurt me just as much as it
hurts them.

 

Just make sure you hit them first

 

Damn that pesky newsgroup propagation!

 

And even then, not an original one.