[QUOTE] He wasn't the OP.[/QUOTE] Yes, hence the reference to the OP. As you've snipped the relevant attributions of course this isn't clear. [QUOTE] Can I point you in the direction of the alt.usage.<language> newsgroups?[/QUOTE] You can point all you want. [QUOTE] This is a motorcycle group.[/QUOTE] Really? I'd never have guessed what with it being in the title and all. Your point here is what exactly? [QUOTE] Ok, a lot of people frequenting this place are quite bright[/QUOTE] What's wrong with that? [QUOTE] (ie; the clique, obviously[1]),[/QUOTE] which particular clique or sub clique would this be? [QUOTE] but the majority of bikers haven't the brain-power of a potted shrub.[/QUOTE] Not in my experience. [QUOTE] What's wrong with that?[/QUOTE] I've no idea. What gives you the impression I think there is? Now closed minds and a refusal to investigate and apply critical thinking, that's a different matter. [QUOTE] [1] there is no clique.[/QUOTE] seek your scapegoats elsewhere then.