Louisiana has lost their right to free choice

DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sounds like yo maddddd.I may have to prepare for
this one.

--
Ed Hart
Politics is supposed to be the second
oldest profession.I have come to
realize that it bears a very close
resemblance to the first.

 

Maybe we should get the insurance companies to argue FOR the right to
choose. Attach a mandatory reduction of insurance rates with any bill that
would repeal the existing law.

If they feel it is so much safer let them put their money where their mouth
is. I would bet if it came to parting with a dollar or leaving it alone that
it would be left alone.

Just a thought...

 

Good idea. Reality is no reduction would be proposed; only increases for
those not wearing helmets. And how do you enforce it other than to deny
any claim if there is a documented police report that indicates no
helmet on the rider. Even then how do the LEOs determine the halmet
wasn't knocked off in the rider or removed by the rider before they
arrived on the scene?

 

Uh, beg to differ here. Nowhere in the constitution does it grant an
individual the right to drive a car or fly an airplane. I'm sure we
could come up with other forms of transportation, but I believe those
two would suffice.


--Fullstate

Me and Mah 'Priller!

 

Nowhere does it give anyone the right to moveable type or semi-auto
rifles. The rights protected by the Constitution remain in affect even
when the technological means of expressing them changes.

 

SO I hear all of these "safety issues" being used to govern our right
for self choice and it makes me sick. If these types of people continue
to legislate our right to choice, we will lose everything that the Bill
of Rights stood for in my opinion. It is like the gun control laws. It
is not the guns that are killing people it is the people with the guns.
Law abiding people respect and use guns as we would expect. It is lower
forms of life that abuse the power of a firearm. I still believe in
Natural Selection and it will in time remove all that move away from
center. If this includes those that choose not to wear helmets, then so
be it. I for one want to make that choice for myself. We have enough
government now with little or no enforcement of the laws that truly
matter.
Children have parents to make choices for them hopefully. Adults can
and should make their own choices as long as they do not effect the
majority.

 

WTF? I would grant that a lot of illegal aliens are very hard
workers, but not ALL of them. Regardless of whether they are hard
workers or not they reap the benefits of medical care, schooling,
charity programs, police, fire, etc. Since they are illegal aliens,
they are not paying taxes and therefore not contributing to the system
from which they are getting so much out of.

I am not against immigrants coming to our country in a legal manner
and making a living. I am against illegal aliens reaping the benefits
of our country and me footing the bill for it. I also don't buy into
the whole "they have a right to this or that, and a right to be here"
crap. No, they do not.

And BTW - I never said "wetback" or even a nationality or a culture.

--Fullstate

Me and Mah 'Priller!

 

I guess I missed that one! LOL


--Fullstate

Me and Mah 'Priller!

 

Show me one illegal alien paying taxes, SSI, and Medicaid. Much to
surprise, there might be a handful, but I bet it is nowhere near the
mid-point or the majority. A minority, indeed. (yeah, I know....bad
pun).

Why does that not surprise me?

--Fullstate

Me and Mah 'Priller!

 

Tens of thousands of mexicans who are in this country are not illegal.. They
came here via "green cards".. Those green cards entitle them to get social
security cards and work.. They cannot draw unemployment compensation, social
security or other welfare benefits which citizens enjoy.. Although they pay
social security taxes and income taxes, including sales and other related
taxes, they are not entitled to any other benefits.. Some of them work here
and live, raise families and are productive in this society for many years..

 

Wow. That is simply amazing. How is it that just about everyone else
sees this as a problem but you are telling me that I don't know what I
am talking about because illegal aliens pay their taxes, SSI, and MC?

Since your wife does tax returns, I am sure you are well aware that
people are not required to withhold income tax in their paycheck.
Inversely, employers do not have to pay for you.



--Fullstate

Me and Mah 'Priller!

 

Hey Bill -

I can't speak for everyone else but I was talking about
illegal aliens. Not people who are in the country legally. I also
wasn't singling out Mexicans, even though they are the majority here
in Texas.

--Fullstate

Me and Mah 'Priller!

 

Sunny -

From my perspective - not ALL immigration is a problem.
Illegal immigration is a problem. Even some legal immigration is a
problem. We really should consider tightening our borders and
limiting the amount of people that we let into our country. I would
even go a step further and add that the majority of people that come
here legally should already have skills that would help them
contribute to our society, whatever those may be.


--Fullstate

Me and Mah 'Priller!

 

I think them being stolen by the employer is far more likely. I'd
also be willing to bet that a vast majority of them are NOT working
"legally" (that sounds strange considering they are already working
illegally in the first place).

What about the medical and health benefits being doled out? What
about education of our school system?

And no offense to anyone, but the argument about people paying sales
tax or rental tax is crap. I'm not saying that it doesn't get
collected, but I pay that too PLUS a whole hell of a lot more. The
property taxes I pay for school, city, etc. far outweigh what someone
pays living in an apartment or some other low-income dwelling.

And Sunny made a good point. It's not just illegal immigrants, it's
any of the people that are sucking on the system. This applies even
to American citizens. I've seen generations of families that never
worked and rely on handouts to live on. That's their way of life.
Somewhat incomprehensible to me, but that's how they live their lives.

How about motor vehicle registration? Insurance (winding up Bill's
clock, here)? You think that doesn't cost people more money?

--Fullstate

Me and Mah 'Priller!

 

LOL - that's true.

Walls and fences would help. But, make it even more simple. Did you
know it's against the law to ASK someone if they are an illegal alien?
How screwed up is that? Make it simple, ask them. Racial profiling
DOES work. You could even poll whites as I'm sure there are plenty of
them here illegally too from other countries.

If they aren't here legally? Deport them, plain and simple. Send
them back from where they came from and tell them to come back through
the proper charnels.

And this isn't directed at you, Sunny - Maybe I am missing it, but am
I hearing arguments to keep illegal aliens in the country, because
that is what it sounds like to me.

--Fullstate

Me and Mah 'Priller!

 

I understand exactly what you are talking about.. The point I would make is
that the cost of the illegals are somewhat if not totally offset by the
"greencard" holders who are required to pay all their taxes, even though
they arent' entitled to any of the benefits of the citizen..

I do not sanction the illegal aliens.. Rather than the mexican illegals,
however.. you might look to our northern borders.. The Canadians who
illegally cross our borders are more apt to blend and mix with our
population and take advantage of our system than the mexicans.. Most
mexicans I know are not interested in our system .. Their motive for coming
here is to make as much money as possible and return to Mexico as soon as
possible.. FWIW.. I am somewhat an authority on the mexican situation, for
as you know.. my wife just received her citizenship three years ago.. I also
spend a good deal of time in that country.. Surprisingly.. few of us on the
northern side of the border, know very little about our southern neighbor..I
might add.. Sadly, also..

Your friend in Irving
Bill Walker

 

In keeping with some of the "topic" cops on this newsgroup, I suggest that
our own problems should be addressed and corrected before anyone might
address the complex problems of immigration..

This thread commenced with a report that Louisiana just lost one of their
freedoms of choice that affects bikers everywhere.. It has been pointed out
that Texas Bikers are facing the same losses each time our legislature is in
session.. Until we determine that we will no longer forfeit our rights of
choice in this state, the immigration situation is secondary ..

The point has been made about immigrants contributing to our society by
having the qualifications to fill the jobs which contribute to our society..
I'd suggest that most work in the fields, harvesting the crops that feed
us..Others work in the construction industry that provides shelter for us ..
Others care for our children while we struggle to make a living.. Still
others.. well... you get the idea..

Not to labor the point, but our neighbors to the south provide many
contributions to our own quality of life.. That being said, illegal
immigration is not the answer.. Crossing that border should not be the
ordeal that it has become..

Your friend in Irving
Bill Walker

 

LMAO.. With all due respect.. I would offer to support any meaningful
legislation to establish more control of our borders.. In another thread, I
just reported the participation of between 2 and 3 hundred bikers at the
Democratic State Convention in Houston..

Biker advocacy groups meet monthly in the metroplex..Ideas .. suggestions
and advice is given at each of these meetings.. Each legislative session in
Austin is flooded with members of those advocacy groups attending and
participating to furthur those ideas and suggestions for meaningful
legislation to make our lives better..

All of us can contribute, just by our support of these groups and the
participation is more than welcome.. We have delegates from some of these
groups who will go on to the National Convention in Boston.. Discussion
groups such as this newsgroup is fine, but it should lead to more meaningful
participation in areas where some good can come of it..

I consider you to be one of very good friends and have no doubt, you mean
well.. I have invited you many times to attend some of these meetings with
me .. No disrespect, my friend .. other priorities have always prevented you
from attending.. That being said, then you need to be content that some of
us try each day to do the best we can.. We don't get it done, but we keep
trying..

You'd make us an excellent delegate, Fullstate.. Think about it..

Your friend in Irving
Bill Walker

 

You are right. I always seem to have some other pressing event that
keeps me from going. I seriously would like to attend sometime,
though. Why can't it ever be on one of the many nights where I don't
have anything going on?

Besides, just because I don't or can't make the rally's does not mean
that I work to express my opinion or show support in other manners.

;-)


--Fullstate

Me and Mah 'Priller!

 

Ahhh.... keep in mind, I didn't say you can't ask someone if they are
a citizen, etc. You can't outright ask them if they are here
illegally.

Let's face it, there is a reason for stereotypes and racial profiling
does work in other countries. You know, when I am in another country
and some official asks me a question I just answer it and I don't get
pissed off because I was stopped about it. Besides, I am not talking
about stopping people on the street for no reason. It's kind of like
when you get pulled over for something else and the cop asks you if
you have had any beers or not.

I have no problem with them being given an opportunity, but they need
to go home first. I do not agree with granting leniency just because
they have been here for a while.


--Fullstate

Me and Mah 'Priller!