Louisiana has lost their right to free choice

When I pulled into the booth area where she was working, I didn't have my
helmet on and as I was putting it on, we engaged in light conversation..
Nothing sinister or threatening, only mentioning the fact that it was my
second trip across the station in less than six months.. This has also
happened when I made the international border crossings from Tijuana and
Neuvo Laredo when I re-entered the US..

The international crossings, you'd expect databases to record entry, but at
state lines, I thought it was unusual.. INS checkpoints inside the US are
also developing those databases and record our movements.. As well as INS
agents, you will find DPS, sheriff depts and other LEO officers standing
by..

At this point it is apparently random, but it is also becoming more
obvious.. For example, the California/Arizona stateline checkpoints will
generally be staffed by state agricultural officers.. The CHP officers are
highly visible and very observant while the agricultural officers check each
vehicle.. INS checkpoint regularly use canine units to check vehicles while
other LEOs stand by..

DEA officers usually are the handlers for the canine units. As I commented..
the checks are random and each crossing is handled somewhat differently..
The point being made is that as we feel the threats or alleged threats from
our government, we are being conditioned to being observed..

Shopping Centers (Malls) continuously survey the crowds.. At our airports
and bus terminals, railway stations and other means of transportation, we
are accustomed to being recorded in our travel patterns.. The highways,
roads and streets are now being monitored.. Databases are being developed
and we accept this infringement on our freedom of movement about the
country..

Your friend in Irving
Bill Walker

 

Could be just a pickup line, people get hot out in the desert, stir crazy,
maybe she was a former beach babe, looking to relive a good time. Bill
should have told her he would make as many trips as she wants.

 

Bill -

A border patrol keeping aliens out of the country is not the
same thing as restricting free movement state-to-state. I don't
believe this violates our right to move freely in any way.

--Fullstate

Me and Mah 'Priller!

 

I don't think they would have the mailman running these installations.
it's a law enforcement function to have the station there in the first
place, be it agricultural, weight/tax or immigration. that other
officials who work the public roads hang out there is no surprise.

obviously people and drugs, as well as normal police dog duty. end the
war on some drugs and the dogs would still be there sniffing for illegal
aliens in the back of the trailer rig. full int'l border stations have
big x-ray machines for the trucks.

this is nothing new. it used to be hand logged into ledgers, now it's in
computer databases with instantaneous access. welcome to the 21st
century. you've certainly seen the transponders for the rigs to
register them with the POE as they drive by and not have to stop at the
weigh station. Many rigs have sattelite tracking and of course you have
heard of OnStar from GM.... LoJack locator systems too.

she was letting you know that they know, this is a surprise? they can
do similar things when they pull over speeders with the centralized
crime databases accessible from the mobile computer in the patrol
vehicle. it doesn't bother me because i've been checked out on the side
of the road, quickly cleared and left to go on my way rather than be
detained at the station while someone makes a bunch of phone calls and
manually looks thru records before getting cleared. now if you have a
warrant or some other flag, it might be of concern to you. big brother
has been around for a long time now and is simply using common tools
that cut both ways, good and bad. that's the nature of big brother.

as for helmets, i would love to be the governor signing a helmet law
that allowed for choice by adults. i would ride to the ceremony, climb
the podium then remove my helmet, sign freedom of choice into law, put
my helmet back on, climb down the podium and ride off.

 

You seem to be missing the point that is being made.. Databases containing
information about citizens movements is not relevant to keeping illegal
aliens out of our country.. I've never objected to a border agent asking me
for the place of my birth..Neither have I objected to them asking if I was
carrying anything illegal into the country..

The checkpoints at state lines are supposedly there to secure interstate
transportation of agricultural products.. Not to develop databases of plate
numbers or other information of a personal nature.. Harmless enough on the
surface, but easily developed in a control mechanism.. Red light cameras at
intersections also contribute to this complex issue.. For personal or
business reasons, I may not wish to be recorded when I visit Addison,
Texas.. next week.. Cameras in that intersection will record that I was
there with the time and exact location..Somehow.. the knowledge that my
every movement is being photographed and documented is distasteful.. How
much of our privacy and freedom to move about, are we willing to give up ?

Your friend in Irving
Bill Walker

 

Very astute..

Why would a county LEO have business at an agricultural inspection station ?
Why would a highway patrol officer station himself at an agricultural
inspection station ? Just "hanging out" ? hmmmm.. business is slow, I
suppose..

By the same token.. why should it be of interest and documented when I
travel from state to state ? However many times I cross those state lines
should not be important to anyone in government, much less important
enough to build a database ..

Technology .. And just think .. it never occurs to some that they are being
carefully observed as they go about their normal every day business.. Truly
amazing.. Many of us just can't wait to pay good money to facillitate being
monitored..

It is not the government's business if I cross that state line every week..

they can

Hmmm.. quite acceptable to some, as it were.. To others who cherish the
freedom and liberty to move about freely.. it can be a threat..

LMAO.. that prospect is priceless...

 

Settle down "Spandex".. Only an example..

 

That's a contract between you and another private entity. You both have
to comply with the terms of the contract or the other party can void the
contract. If they deliver you to the wrong town, you can be compensated.
If you threaten a hostessessessess (or punch another customer, or don't
buckle up) then they can void the contract and ask you to leave.

And everything in the list that you gave is soley for the same reason
you can't hit someone in the eye unless in defense of yourself. Injury
to another or another's property is the basis of those "rules". Remember
that your right to swing your fist stops at my nose. There are a few in
your list that are accepted by sheeple but which are unconstitutional as
they violate protection from prior restraint laws. But that's another
can of worms.

 

Those limits are based on the protection of others rights. One
individual's rights are inalliable. However so are others. Where those
intersect they are limited only so much as how the expression of one
would cause a violation of the other.

 

No doubt that they do regulate SOME forms of transportation. The
question that begs is if they do it legally (constitutionally) or it
it's yet one area where creaping incrementalism has usurped ungranted
powers.

You're making a case against a point no one has made. You DO have the
right to travel via any means you choose - responsibly. When you live
by Rights you must shoulder responsibilities. Failing to do so moves you
from the status of freeman to that of slave (to the state who assumes
the responsibility for your actions since you refuse to).

 

It *is* everyone's right. It's the historical fact that a certain groups
of people (mindset, not race/religion/etc.) refuse to take
responsibility for their actions. Rights without responsibility leads to
the violation of other people's rights and the usurpation of power from
the governed by the government.

 

Sure they will. Pay for the cost of that space and you can knock
yourself out.

Actually there are people out there without DL's, with restraining
orders against cities and states, and they drive completely under the
rights of the Constitution. After lengthy battles they proved that they
functioned based on responsibility and not servitude. They also proved
harrassment by LEOs for no other reason that they turned back in their
DL and opted out of the "voluntary system". Theoretically they could do
100 mph through town and the cops couldn't touch them. Ironically doing
so would void their proof of responsibility and remove them from the
protections they are granted by that same constitution (because they
would be endagering the rights (that of life) of others).

Actually the rights are, in and of themselves, the "rules". However, in
that case they are "Laws" instead of administrative "laws". The only
time the judicial system is needed is as an arbiter when the Rights of 2
different people intersect and they can't resolve their disagreement.
Other than that, "laws" are established for commercial ventures
(non-people entities). However legislators, being raised on a diet of
commercial law, extrapolate their bias into Constitutional Law and
incorrectly apply it to people.

 

But that's voluntary and a part of the agreement (contract) between 2
entities (you and the airline). You can always turn around and walk
away. No government agency is mandating the purchase of airline tickets
by individuals.

 

"There is a law".. Corrupt politicians and special interests have perverted
our laws with the consent of an uninformed and indifferent public..
Louisiana just lost one of their freedoms of choice that can and will happen
in Texas .. Helmet laws for motorcyclists is the tip of the iceberg.. My
message is .. Lead.. Follow .. or get the hell out of the way... We are
taking our government back where it belongs..

 

Juvenile stupidity raises it's ugly head again.. huh... Sheesh.. how do
these people ever manage to find their way to polls, pull the lever and get
us into the kind of messes we are in ??

 

We each do the best we can with what we have.. Perhaps you should examine
the possiblities of changes in your own lifestyle .. Assets like "green
Vulcans" should be considered both operational and functional.. Good looks
and talent are prerequisites for a successful endeavor into the world of
catfish consumption.. Your shortcomings must include the "parking" handicap,
as well as the above mentioned failures concerning the quality of life in
service and relationships.. Who knows, one day.. you too, may grow up to be
just like me.. LMAO

Your friend in Irving
Bill Walker

 

Consider yourself "publicly challenged".. I positively believe that the
"onlookers" should be charged a sizable "fee" .. Proceeds to be evenly
divided amongst the participants.. In light of my existing record for the
consumption of catfish, I must admit that I do feel like I have an unfair
advantage over any challenger who is unaware.. However that feeling is
shortlived and since you knowingly engaged in this competition, after
personally witnessing my capacity for catfish, you enter into this agreement
at your own risk.. Consequences of public embarrassment and health
considerations can result in total humiliation..

Your friend in Irving
Bill Walker

 

Before that happens,there will have to be some "mutual" parking
arrangements made.I feel that the "odds" are stacked against me.I don't have
a green vulcan to park up at the front door like some people I know of.

--
Ed Hart
Politics is supposed to be the second
oldest profession.I have come to
realize that it bears a very close
resemblance to the first.

 

Perhaps I did miss that point. I was trying to figure out a good way
to articulate this, but figured I'd just blurt it out and see what
happens.

While I am against actively participating in anything that would allow
someone or some entity to track me and what I do, I don't have as much
of a problem if they wish to be the ones actively persuing it.

As an example, it's not illegal if I wanted to follow you around
without harassing you. Now, why anyone would want to follow YOU
around is beyond me, but I can do it if I want.

If you are in public, you are subject to being observed. That's
fairly straight forward. It's not as if I have a bar-code tatoo or a
tracking device on me or my vehicles.

So, I guess I feel that if someone wants to make the time and effort
to figure out what I am up to while in public so be it.

Let me take that a step further - I am against spending taxpayers
money to setup these types of systems unless there is a benefit that
the system is providing to society.

Now, let's be outright ridiculous. Look at the flip side. The
extreme flip side of this is that you would have to have laws in place
that prevented people from taking any type of recording, notes, or
even LOOKING at you if you were in public all because you don't want
to be seen while in public. Seems kind of silly, doesn't it?

How is that a control mechanism? Nobody stops me from and deny's me
access or entry. You don't even need any paperwork. Yes, we show
them our license and what-not, but you could just as easily be
traveling without papers.

Well first off, the cameras are supposedly only recording red-light
violations. Not every car that goes through an intersection.

Secondly, I think you hit the nail on the head - you have a limited
amount of privacy while in public (key word, there). Now, what
happens in your own home or property or whatever is a completely
different matter.

--Fullstate

Me and Mah 'Priller!

 

The part of the country I was raised in,I was taught never to show up at a
gunfight totin' a knife.If this is gettin' closer to a "Public Fight",I
suggest that rules are aggreeded on in advance and witnesses are
present.Onlookers will be charged an "Onlooker Fee"
I never took kindly to threats and will not back down.And Dayton will
attend.Someone will have to take care of the "Bones"

--
Ed Hart
Politics is supposed to be the second
oldest profession.I have come to
realize that it bears a very close
resemblance to the first.