Louisiana has lost their right to free choice

Sorry everyone, I have been gone and barely been able to get on the
newsgroups much.

I think the helmet debate is an interesting one. I am against
mandating riders wear a helmet, just as I am against mandating that
people wear seat belts.

However, I think that the argument of the taxpayers not fitting the
bills for people injured in accidents needs to be explored a bit more.
I saw some of the threads on this topic, but only caught a portion of
the arguments.

One thing I noticed was Bill's stance that it's a bogus argument
because insurance carriers are footing the bill. I'm not sure that I
agree with that 100%. In MOST cases, we hope that the law-abiding
citizens have insurance. Let's just say that they do. The insurance
doesn't last forever, nor does it cover all the expenses - especially
in the case of debilitating injuries.

Insurance pays a portion, or most of the initial problem, but it's not
going to pay for long-term care of the individual. Nor is it going to
cover long term unemployment. That comes out of our tax dollars.
now, I'm not saying I am against that, but I do have a problem with it
if people knowingly neglected to take certain safety precautions.

It's a lot like people who smoke or are severely overweight and have
severe medical problems because of it, but don't have the money to pay
for it. Why should my money go to take care of these people who
haven't taken care of themselves?

I think that if you can sort that part of it out, you have a secure
argument against mandatory helmet or seat belt laws (with the
exception of kids).

Me? I always wear my helmet. ;-)


--Fullstate

Me and Mah 'Priller!

 

Perhaps I didn't type this opinion as clearly as I could articulate it.. The
insurance companies used the argument in their efforts to increase premium
costs and to legislate mandated insurance coverage on vehicles.. Their
arguments were only substantiated with the studies they produced within the
industry.. Those studies were never proven out and were without merit..

I'd guesstimate that "long-term" care is not the issue.. The type of care is
rarely needed in motorcycle crash accidents.. Either the injuries are slight
enough to warrant minimal care and treatment or they are fatal.. As to the
out of work expense, that would be covered under the "workmen's
compensation" or SSI benefits which each one of pays during our lifetime of
work.. Certainly not borne by the insurance company ..

"Your" money should not be used for that purpose.. I am a "smoker".. I don't
recall you ever buying a pack of cigarettes for me.. I will be seventy years
old next month.. At my age, my health could become a factor at any given
month.. You know me.. do I appear to be a man who has abused his body for
all these years.. I have worked, paid taxes and supported myself and my
family as best I could for all those years.. When my health does fail..
where will I turn for the relief to live the rest of it in dignity and some
degree of comfort.?

The exemption for wearing a helmet is several fold.. You must complete the
MSF course.. You must provide a $10,000.00 surety deposit with the state..
You must provide health and hospitalization coverage.. Of course, you must
be of a certain age (which addresses the child issue).. And without issue is
the motorcycle endorsement on your driver's license.. hmmm... Seems that
pretty well covers the arguments being made ...

Yes .. LOL.. you do.. Pussy... why ? Hell.. you don't stay around enough to
ride that damn eyetaliano monster, anyway... What's up with that ? Engine is
about to seize up on that "dago" machine.... Let's do a day run..

Your friend in Irving
Bill Walker

 

Bill Walker wrote this:
"You know me.. do I appear to be a man who has abused his body for
all these years.."
Ed Hart is writing this:
Yea ya do.But one thing about it,it appears that ya had alot of fun doin' it
and would never look back.
Catfish sounds good,don't it?
--
Ed Hart
Politics is supposed to be the second
oldest profession.I have come to
realize that it bears a very close
resemblance to the first.

 

going up on the price of cigarettes is a good thing done by the
tobacco companies. This leads to people quitting smoking and therefore
causes me to be able to sit in a restaurant or walk down a sidewalk
without smelling it.

Unlike gas or insurance...even utilities, one can quit smoking and
live better for it.

And yes, you've been trolled. I've been trying to warn you about him.

 

You don't know just how screwed up you truly are by saying these
things.

Taking first things first, the middle east countries have been paying
a nickel a gallon for gasoline.

The two largest buyers from the middle east are also the two highest
pricing gasoline charging places...United States and Europe.

Since the 1920's, the United States and Europe have been deep into
buying and securing oil in the middle east. The United States has
never "exported" oil of any magnitude. The only real "exporting" that
has ever been done has been just to power military equipment in war
zones. The first Gulf War and the aftermath was to secure a base in
Saudi Arabia. Everyone knows this. The United States was training and
preparing for arming against Iraq several months prior to Hussein
invading the country of Kuwait. The United States built up the
"threat" of Iraq to the Saudi's in order to gain an invitation to
enter the country. The United States continued after the war to keep
insisting what a "threat" Iraq was to the Saudi's to stay in the
country. This is where bin Laden came into play with being our
"enemy"...he didn't like the United States being invited or staying in
his home country. This is why there are so many militants in Saudi
Arabia. This wasn't something from the 60s, this was something that
started in the 20s after WW1.

When was the last time the government did such a thing? The lottery
was to be used for education. The helmet exemption sticker was to have
been used for motorcycle education. And now you're all for $5/gallon
for gasoline? Just give us your extra $3/gallon and we'll put it to
better use than the government would.

A good film that I'd recommend you watching is "Hidden Wars in the
Middle East". Just the information from "Stormin' Norman" himself is
an eye opener. Had it been from anyone else, I would've said they were
crazy and a big "conspiricy theory".

Speaking of films, Michael Moore has Farenheit 911 coming out
tomorrow. According to the critics (Gary Cogill for example), they say
it's well made and without a doubt (regardless of the political tones)
his best movie yet.

 

Liberty, by definition, includes the ability to travel unhindered by the
government. The technology of travel changes with time but not the
right. Just because radio was invented didn't change the right of free
speach in spite of a new means of speaking to others becoming available.
Anyone even suggesting that free speach only applies to those standing
on an orange crate in city center would be laughed out of town.

 

I do not care to indulge some moron on a newsgroup like this Texdays trash
about freedoms nor privileges.. Freedom to Move About has been accepted and
fought for long and hard, again by many whom sacrificed much in order for
ALL of us to enjoy our way of life in America..

Many of the participants on this newsgroup have no concept nor have ever
contributed on damn thing to the quality of life .. There is never a second
thought for the rights or the privileges they enjoy and how those rights and
privileges affect others.. I don't care if everyone who mounts a motorcycle
wears full armor and helmets that come from Star Wars.. as long as they
don't infringe on my own right to not wear one..

Idiots like some of these posters on this newsgroup have never experienced
living in a country with an authoritarian government.. Most have no idea of
the consequences of the infringement of their rights that they are so eager
to give up to the government..

Give up all the rights you care to, but when you commence to advocate
infringing on the rights of your neighbors as you give up your own rights,
you become a member of a flock of sheep .. Iraqis became that kind of
society when they accepted the rule and infringement of their rights from
Saddam Hussein.. The difference is that we have the choice and the
opportunity to reject the infringement on our rights.. While we still have
the freedom to do so, we'd best be about it..

Bill Walker
Irving, Tx.

 

Damn sure does.. LOL.. I can eat my weight in Cajun Catfish and would
welcome the opportunity to challenge you to a rematch at any given time...
Bring Dayton and all the other help that you know you will need... Let's do
it..

Your friend in Irving
Bill Walker

 

This poster is not only 24 carat trash.. he is also certifiably goofy as a
tree full of hoot owls.. Anyone who would draw parallels between "freedom to
move about" and the juvenile ramblings that he has just posted, has to be
the most idiotic contribution that I have ever witnessed on this newsgroup..
To end it with "ride safe" has to be adding insult to injury.. Sheesh

Bill Walker
Irving, Tx.

 

That makes a little more sense. I don't trust insurance companies any
further than I can throw them.

I disagree on this one. I think it is the issue. I'm not sure what
the percentages work out to, but it's not the intermediate care that I
am concerned about. It's about the guy that has brain damage or
something that prevents him / her from working and eats up taxpayers
money to support them.

I guess, though....the reality, is that I'd rather support an American
citizen that made an effort rather than an illegal alien that sucks
our system dry.

(insert throwing vegetables here)

You know, I have a lot of friends that smoke and what not. That's
really not the issue. The reality is that it's the people that are
obese that are sucking the medicare / medicaid system dry. So sue me,
but it's true.

See? I don't really have a problem with that. It's basically the
"states" way of saying "if you don't want to wear a helmet, that is
fine with us, but be responsible about it."

<grin> Yeah, I am taking it to NC here very soon to ride The Dragon.
I'll send you pics. ;-)


--Fullstate

Me and Mah 'Priller!

 

I'm like you, I have a lot of mixed emotions about the whole thing.
Number one is that I don't want the govt. telling me what I can and
cannot do.

Number two is that I don't think anyone else should have to pay for me
being a dumb-ass (if that should happen.

Number three is that just because I pay my taxes does NOT meant that I
am entitled to suck the govt. out of every penny that I can.
;-)

Yeah, now that is a tough argument. What is "acceptable risk?"


--Fullstate

Me and Mah 'Priller!

 

Interesting argument.....but I'd say this:

I am a person that believes that the govt. should stay out of our
lives.

The second thing is that I believe the state (govt) has a vested
interest in protecting itself.

What does that translate to? Basically that they shouldn't tell us
what to do, but they also have to setup mechanisms that keep them from
footing the bill when the time comes.

BTW - Wearing a helmet is better for you because it might just save
your ass (head) in a wreck or lay-down.


--Fullstate

Me and Mah 'Priller!

 

Good, but off the mark. Because you have the right to free travel
does not mean you have the right to travel in the manner of your
choosing.

And...the govt. DOES regulate travel and the travel industry to
protect the interest of the citizens and the interest of the state -
though I think they do a crappy job at it.

So you may have the right to walk from point-A to point-B, but you do
NOT have the right to drive however you see fit in whatever vehicle
you see fit, regardless of the safety of others.



--Fullstate

Me and Mah 'Priller!

 

Charles.. I never said that.... So, I guess, I won't be stupid.

Rex S.

 

HMMM... I gave that one some thought and did a little limited research..
Don't think I can find any evidence that anyone that I know has made that
"claim"..

 

Interesting how it's a "priviledge", yet you buy the vehicle, pay
insurance, pay license fees, pay inspection fees, pay for maintenance,
pay for fuel...drive it on public roadways which are paid for by
citizens. It's a "priviledge"? That very word would contract something
being given as a reward. What's being given? Is it also a "priviledge"
to have children? Is it a "priviledge" to eat?

No one said anything about "no rules".

 

Without making claims of "Constitutional" expertise, I believe there is
something in our Bill of Rights which gives of the "right to move freely
about".. Some are under the impression that these are "privileges".. Some
believe that we move freely from state to state.. Texas, Arizona and
California have entry inspection stations that must be passed before
entering the states.. Other states also have these inspection points..for a
good reason ..

Each "new" law that is passed only increases the control of the flow of
movement in this country.. Our leaders would have us believe that these new
laws are only for our own protection.. Nothing could be furthur from the
truth, but as long as we believe them, we'll continue to contribute to our
own losses of liberty..

Each one of us should make it our individual goal to confront at least one
of our legislators and remind him that "he works for us, and not for the
president, senators, congressmen, governors, etc... who also work for us"..
That is the key to returning the government back to the people...

Bill Walker
Irving, Tx.

 

agricultural inspections are a good reason. i don't want the fruit fly
from california coming into texas, for example.

weigh stations/state port of entry for commercial carriers are a good
reason. they get to pay taxes that pay to repair the roads they tear up.

border patrol checkpoints look for illegal aliens sneaking in, etc.

no one is checking private vehicles for authorized traveling papers or a
passport at any state border.

 

Evidently you didn't read the part of the comment "for good reason"..
John... Each one of the stations have incorporated representatives from the
county shreiffs depts.. and INS to scrutinize each vehicle as they are
systematically stopped .. Sometimes you will see various otherLEO vehicles
present in the area, as well..

Canine units at these checkpoints are not checking the color of the paint,
John.. License plates numbers are entered into databases and patterns of the
people traveling are maintained.. Recently at the Arizona and California
checkpoint, one of the very nice lady officers reminded me that this was my
second trip to California within six months..

 

What was her reason for even mentioning it? Just to let you know that "big
brother" is watching our movements?

Rex S.

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