[QUOTE="sanbar"] Oh yes, and wasn't Charlie the one who did the big (and we are talking *big*) dummy spit when KTM knocked him back, and he took the free (as in beer) Bimmer as a second-best?[/QUOTE] BMW weren't second best, they just weren't his first preference, and he was in no position to know whether one would have out performed the other in the conditions they would encounter... and I'm sure KTM are regretting their decision over and over and over... Nev.. '03 ZX12R