London - Speed cameras set to double

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by paul, Dec 8, 2003.

  1. paul

    Ginge Guest

    Fair enough.

    The fact is I honestly don't give a toss about Livingston, London,
    freedom of the city, or the England rugby team I can't get interested in
    any of it. Therefore to me a 'fatuous, imbecilic remark' is on a par
    with all the other conversation in this thread. A lot of noise over
    nothing at all..

    What I am completely astounded about is that half a million people can
    show up and make a fuss over some people kicking a ball whilst on a paid
    holiday. I just don't 'get' the whole football / rugby / team sports
    tribalism thing - it's just the same as a kick about in the park to
    me... and the same goes for all the ceremony it's just people and noise
    - nothing significant is going on.

    Now if someone had done something worthwhile for humanity, say developed
    a cure for cancer, or even something so simple as rescued a few families
    from a burning block of flats would people flock to congratulate them?
    No.

    I don't get that at all, I think it's all a bit fucked up really. [1]


    [1] Some people may interpret this the oposite way and just see me as
    fucked up. That could be just as true.
     
    Ginge, Dec 8, 2003
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  2. paul

    Ben Blaney Guest

    Why then, did you post that you hoped that the England rugby team's
    Freedom of the City of London would entitle them "go to his house and shit
    in his bed"?
     
    Ben Blaney, Dec 8, 2003
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  3. paul

    Nigel Eaton Guest

    Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Ben Blaney
    Blimey, easy big fellah! It's only UKRM, after all.
     
    Nigel Eaton, Dec 8, 2003
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  4. paul

    Ginge Guest

    Because it was a flippant and nonsensical throwaway comment, as was the
    wondering of what freedom of the city means.

    For the record I don't *actually* want anyone to shit in anybodies bed,
    or in fact even in their own.. unless they want to.

    Why are you taking it so seriously?
     
    Ginge, Dec 8, 2003
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  5. paul

    Ben Blaney Guest

    Because politics is serious. It bothers me that people who didn't give
    a flying **** about politics - and, worse, don't know anything about it
    - are happy to make judgements about politicians on the basis of gutter
    press, idle gossip and bullshit. So to descend into the Ken-bashing for
    no fucking reason strikes me as utterly pathetic.
     
    Ben Blaney, Dec 8, 2003
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  6. paul

    mups Guest

    I'll be disappointed if Ken rejoins the labour party. IMHO a lot of his
    success comes from the fact that he's independent and not tied to the party
    line. I don't agree with all of his polices by any means but overall he
    appears to be doing OK and he seems to have mellowed from his 'Red Ken'
    days
     
    mups, Dec 8, 2003
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  7. Unfortunately, politicians only seem to make the news for negative
    reasons; like so many other things, nobody notices the good ones. The
    few bad apples spoil the public perception of the whole barrel. They
    must, of course, make decisions which can render them somewhat
    unpopular either way; I'm not sure I'd be willing to accept such
    responsibility. Also it's my belief, which may or may not be shared
    by others, that the party system exists only to further its own
    existence, and is largely incompatible with the good governance of the
    nation. When I think of a viable alternative, however, you'll be
    among the first to know.
     
    Darren Robinson, Dec 9, 2003
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  8. paul

    fatgrah.am Guest

    http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/til/jsp/modules/Article/print.jsp?itemId=80655
    19
    I really hope this quote was taken out of context...

    "AA spokeswoman Rebecca Rees said: "Twice the number of cameras will mean
    twice the number of motorists will now be caught." Cameras have been
    successful in making roads safer. In a west London trial accidents fell by
    12per cent after cameras were installed. "

    twice the number of cameras, means twice the number of motorists will be
    caught?

    surely the logic shall follow that there will be a 50% drop in accidents?

    Or perhaps they're more focussed on catching twice as many fin^H^H^H
    speeding motorists, rather than safety

    ffs


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    www.fatgrah.am
     
    fatgrah.am, Dec 9, 2003
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  9. paul

    Eddie Guest

    Oh, yes - but all the speed cameras that I can think of on the A68 are
    in Northumberland or Jockland.
     
    Eddie, Dec 9, 2003
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  10. paul

    geoff Guest

    He does seem to be one of the few "honest" politicians around
     
    geoff, Dec 9, 2003
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  11. paul

    deadmail Guest

    What? If cameras can be shown to reduce accidents by X% then doubling
    the number of cameras (assuming a linear relationship) will reduce
    accidents by 2X%

    In the example given the West London trial showed (apparently) a fall of
    12% so doubling the number of cameras could mean the accidents can be
    predicted to fall by 24% (although I doubt it).
     
    deadmail, Dec 9, 2003
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  12. paul

    Salad Dodger Guest

    The memory of my run south in the summer tends to support this.
     
    Salad Dodger, Dec 9, 2003
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  13. Usually some right to enter some premises or take advantage of some
    ancient boon.

    For example; you might be wandering along the centre of Leeds, perhaps,
    and absolutely dying for a shit. Now, as Joe Bloggs, you would be bang
    out of luck, what with all the public conveniences now having been sold
    off and turned into burger bars, but as Joe Bloggs, Freeman of the City
    of Leeds, you can march into the Town Hall and dump your load in the
    ivory, gilt and marble palace of defecation that is the Mayor's private
    privy - as is your right.

    An ancient boon might be the right to kick the shit out of Michael
    Elphick's corpse whenever you feel like it.

    --

    Dave

    GS 850 x2 / SE 6a
    SbS#6 DIAABTCOD#16 APOSTLE#16? FUB#3
    FUB KotL OSOS#12? UKRMMA#19
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Dec 9, 2003
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  14. paul

    tallbloke Guest

    He may well be right. Its' two years sice I rode it. I prefer the B road
    from Stanhope to Hexham meself.
     
    tallbloke, Dec 9, 2003
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  15. paul

    geoff Guest

    It just struck me as being a bit odd - right we've got to honour these
    guys, what shall we do ... give them the freedom of the city, err ..

    Don't get me wrong, I admire the way he stood up against tube
    privatisation and said why, his stance against Bush etc. a rare breed of
    politicians who try to do what's best and stick to it, unswayed by the
    threats from TBs mafia
     
    geoff, Dec 9, 2003
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  16. paul

    Salad Dodger Guest

    Well, as I was travelling from Chesterholme to Bolam, I was a bit
    limited for choice. Plus, it was pissing it down.

    As an aside, anyone else had this problem with streetmap.com?

    Normal size maps just come out as a blank square about 1cm a side,
    with all 8 navigation arrows crowded together.

    Zooming in and out doesn't help, either.
     
    Salad Dodger, Dec 9, 2003
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  17. paul

    Vince Guest

    Just k/f him like everybody else.

    --

    Vince.

    ZX9R, CBR250
    Ex-SKoGA#3, YTC#13
    BONY#47, SBS#22, BOTAFOF#26, BOTAFOT#102, MRO#23.
    MIRTTH#19

    "Vince: more repulsive than Ginge"
     
    Vince, Dec 9, 2003
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  18. simonk said:
    I think they get the right to drive their cattle over London Bridge.
    That's a decent thing to be able to do.

    Also get a decent ride round on a float for the Lord Mayors Show.
     
    Simon Atkinson, Dec 9, 2003
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  19. paul

    Timo Geusch Guest

    was seen penning the following ode to ... whatever:
    He appears to be his own man as opposed to a remote control
    puppet. Now that's no way to make a career in any kind of party.
     
    Timo Geusch, Dec 9, 2003
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  20. paul

    Ben Blaney Guest

    But this is not necessarily the fault of the politician; it's the agenda
    of the media showing its face.

    For example, the Congestion Charge. It's fairly demonstrably A Good
    Thing, [0] with a few slight hiccups. However, the press - and, to be
    honest, it's the right-leaning, London-based press that I'm thinking of
    - just keep on reporting on the little problems.
    I don't think that this is quite right...
    ....this is nearer the mark.


    [0] Motorcycle accidents in the Congestion Charging Zone have gone down
    substantially since the introduction of the charge. That should appeal
    to people here, I'd have thought.
     
    Ben Blaney, Dec 9, 2003
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