Listen up, you tx.moto wimps...

I don't think we are too far from being on the same page..
Sometimes, I don't articulate my intent as clearly as I would
like.. especially when I'm being confronted by someone I don't
particularly like or someone I expect understands what I'm say-
in my rather abrupt manner.. After all, this communicating
on a keyboard isn't my strong suit.. lol.. I'm an old retired con-
struction worker..

In my opinion.. riding habits or driving habits which are dev-
eloped early are hard to break, especially the bad ones..
Consider, the emphasis on practice that I included in my
suggestion.. Also, you may have noticed that I've repeatedly
said that downshifting would enhance a stop of any kind, not
execute the stop, by any stretch.. The co-ordination of clutch,
alternating front and rear brakes, as required in combination
with the bikes brakes will execute a smooth and efficient
stop with control over the motorcycle.. That co-ordination
of these elements become instinct and reactive, the more
we ride, but they are awkward in the beginning.. That makes
practice necessary.. Some people never achieve that feel
of co-ordination .. They are mostly the ones whose hot
brakes you smell and the ones who are sitting at a red light
stomping a shift lever ..

hmmm.. Somewhat.. my interpretation of a minimum
distance stop, as heard by a new rider who is learning
to stop his motorcycle in a parking lot.. would be that
he is trying to learn to stop the bike within safety margins
of street use, not to the extent of a panic stop or a racing
environment.. Hell.. he hasn't learned to stay on top, more
than the damned bike is on him.. lol... Not yet, anyway..

Yep.. Colorado is a good motorcycling state.. and, so
far.. we are pretty much on the same page.. Another
thing, I'd point out.. what has worked for me all these
years may not work well with another rider.. We've each
got to ride our own motorcycle.. Helpful hints and suggest-
ions are most great, but in the end.. that rider has to ride
his own ride and react with the same habits that he learn-
ed in the beginning..

Of course not.. Keeping everything that you've read during the
past few days, in context.. You should consider that some of
the exchanges are between people who have a long history of
contention with each other..

Good for you.. I'll sure buy that.. Neither has anyone else, regard-
less of what they'd claim on a newsgroup..

Bill Walker

 

AAWWWRRRGGHH.. You are just a freakin' hardcase, Don.. LMAO..
Damn.. I just replaced the freakin' clutch in the Green One.. and that's
only after 10 plus years and almost 75,000 miles.. Them Gawdammed
Japs can't build anything but junk.. sheesh, I knew I should have bought

 

Also use the engine revs to handle corners instead of braking....but
dumbass Andrew prefers to do a stoppie through his corners....

 

I never said that.
here's what I DID say:

Where does it mention me doing a stoppie through a corner?
I trail brake, but that is a completely different topic.

Please at least quote me correctly.


--

Andrew
00 Daytona
00 Speed Triple
71 Kawi H1
05 Kiddo

 

Who gives a shit about his videos?

Some silly asshole claims to stop with more control and less distance
on just his front wheel, doesn't have credibility for shit.

 

You behave yourself.. You know damned well that I will tell on your..
Besides, I'm angling around to get one of these bad boys to come
down here to Texas and give me some riding lessons.. He even claims
he'll ride circles around me, too.. Wakko blew it for me, last time I had
this all set up, and now, here you come.. I want my Valkyrie back..

ROTFL..

 

Does a 2 time world champion have credibility?

http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/howto/122_0608_kevin_schwantz_school_track_tips/

Check out #15


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Andrew
00 Daytona
00 Speed Triple
71 Kawi H1
05 Kiddo

 

I used that technique with a Honda Accord. Total stopping distance for
the bike, including the bent forks, and the shoved in trunk of the
Accord, was about 12 inches. I, on the other hand, traveled another 15
feet or so. I haven't tested this technique at speeds above 40 though,
so your mileage may vary.

 

Geez thanks for starting this thread up Don. Seems like it took
exactly the same direction as the last one on this subject.

A couple of things I noticed, one, there were no takers from Tx.Moto,
Walker aside, who dared to offer their method of stopping in the
minimum distance required. Now to be fair I did not read every
response. Once the rhetoric gets repetitive I pretty much tune out.

Two, there still seems to be this misconception, among the rookies
that engine braking will assist in stopping a motorcycle in the
shortest possible distance.

Bill's response really hasn't changed much. He is not willing to
accept the premise engine braking does not assist maximum braking.

Plain and simple Bill is wrong and as we all know Bill is not capable
of admitting he is wrong on any topic.

Without going into all the technical reasons why engine braking does
not assist maximum braking, cuz it has all been said before, several
times, the various positions have served to separate those who
understand riding dynamics from those who merely ride.

Now before the two out there still preaching engine braking when
maximum braking is required, work yourselves into a lather, that is
not a slight. Until you find yourself, if you ever do, needing that
extra five feet of asphalt before you hit the wall, continue to use
engine braking, if that is what you are comfortable with. But and
there is always a but, recognize engine braking will not help the bike
stop in the shortest possible distance. In fact using the brakes is
the best way to achieve maximum braking and stop the bike in the
shortest possible distance.

And for any new rider hoping to extract the best maximum braking
technique from this thread, please don't take any advice from this
disfunctional group. Go see a professional rider trainer, buy one of
the many good books on riding skills, go see a fucking psychic for all
I care, but don't take half the trash you hear here out on the road.
It will probably be a very short ride.


--
Remember

It is the VETERAN , not the preacher,
who has given us freedom of religion.

It is the VETERAN , not the reporter,
who has given us freedom of the press.

It is the VETERAN , not the poet,
who has given us freedom of speech.

It is the VETERAN , Not the Campus Organizer
who has given us freedom to assemble.

It is the VETERAN, not the lawyer,
who has given us the right to a fair trial.

It is the VETERAN , not the politician,
Who has given us the right to vote.

 

Apparently he isn't.. And, apparently you admittedly use a downshifting
technique when you ride a motorcycle, in spite of what you and Don
Binns were telling that guy in the parking lot, that just wanted some input
on stopping his bike effectively.. And .. I still got no use for either one
of
you fat bastards, in spite of all your usenet posturing..

 

Me, too, Beej. Seeing as how a GW has more power, is better handling,
and has better brakes than the touring bikes that "TM, Binns, or RGD"
ride, that *would* be an event to remember!

Why, I'll never forget my first ride with my buddy George and his old
friend Cap'n Dave Webb on their GWs, when I was riding my narrow,
lithe, and nimble Suzuki VX800 and those ol' boys put on a spark-
throwin', corner-carvin', hallucinatory lean angle inducin' SIDESHOW
for me. Last time I ever called a touring bike a "couch!"

 

Only thanks to the Sheriff's cross-posting skills!

 

Well, Bill, then we can at least agree on one thing. I have
absolutely no use for your fucking constant usenet posturing or your
complete and total lack of knowledge of how to properly ride a
motorcycle. Best of luck with your continued crashing career.

 

My rule is: "Don't hit the tire barrier feet first. Don't hit the
tire barrier head first. Don't hit the fucking tire fucking barrier
fucking at all."

Oh, also: it is useless to apply the brakes (or, in the context of
recent days, to downshift) when the bike is skittering down the
pavement on its side."

 

<evil grin> You habitually "tune out" any time your fat ass starts getting
in a bind.. <smile> You've also been known to "tune out" turn around
and go to the house.. if it looks like you've written usenet checks that
you don't have the balls to try and cash.. Then, you've been know to
spend a lot of time and bandwidth talking about some sort of family
emergency that compelled you to go back to the house.. Incorporating
the heart wrenching description of your plans to take a young girl which
you have no relation to, from her natural father..

Of course, taking into consideration that said rookie is still practicing
stopping his motorcycle in a parking lot.. And is still trying to learn how
to stay on top of his motorcycle more than it is staying on top of him..

Of course I haven't.. That Venture of yours may not react when you
downshift to a lower gear, but I don't believe that.. Every motorcycle
I've ever ridden will react by a little less momentum, each time you
shift to a lower gear while you are applying front and rear brakes as
required..

LMAO.. And, of course, after you began to look extremely foolish and
admitted that you use downshifting every time you ride your motorcycle..
after Tim Morrow and others admitted the same thing, of course.. Now..
what is it you are "plain and simple" trying to say ?

WTF does all that mean, you fat **** ?

Stop.. Reread what you just posted.. Anyone but some complete
idiot would advise anyone to stop a motorcycle without using the
brakes that were designed to do just that.. sheesh.. What a fucking
moron.. Are you really going to continue to rattle around this way to
salvage usenet credibility.. ??

LMAO.. whew.. no wonder that belly of yours hangs out so far.. You are
really full of usenet shit..

 

Well, let's see...

<flipping pages, flipping pages>

Oh, here ya go. The dictionary definition has a picture of BJay
beside it! <g>

 

Whew. Without the <g>, that would've been pretty damned cold!

 

Do you mean that you didn't ride some circles around those old boys
and give them some riding lessons, while you waved all those certifica-
tions at them ? Dang.. that's neat, fat boy..

 

Heh, heh, heh. Well... truth be told, I'm beginning to suspect my
clutch plates are pretty near the end of their life.

I took it apart 2 or 3 years ago at about 90,000 miles
(http://xidos.ca/Bikes/BeltReplacement/primary.htm) and measured the
thickness of the friction plates. At that time they were well within
spec, so I just put it back together. Lately, though, it seems I'm
nearly out of adjustment. I'll definitely be taking another look at
them this winter.

Gotta love those Harley clutches though.

 

Why no, Bill. Like most of the people I ride motorcycles with, they
became long term good friends of mine. Hard concept for you to grasp,
I know.