Kevlar suits and track days

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by JohnnyT, Jun 15, 2006.

  1. JohnnyT

    JohnnyT Guest

    I am interested in a 2-piece suit for the road and trackdays. Does
    anyone know about the kevlar suits made by gtsracegear.co.uk in
    Telford. What are they like and are they allowed on trackdays?
    Ta.
     
    JohnnyT, Jun 15, 2006
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  2. How much do you value your skin?

    Keprotec, the material from which these "Kevlar" suits is made, was
    originally conceived by and developed for multiple world-sidecar
    champion Rolf Biland, who wanted a suit that fitted like a second skin,
    with sponsors' logos screen-printed on, for improved aerodynamics over
    that of a leather suit. Keprotek is actually aramid-reinforced Cordura
    with a Lycra content. The amount of the aramid content varies, but it
    is usually less than 20% of the entire fabric weave.

    In those days, what Biland did today, everyone else in the sidecar
    world did tomorrow. In 1985, British national and GP-level sidecar
    passenger Brian Nixon limped into the shop [1]. He had fallen out of
    the chair on the approach to Shaw's hairpin at Mallory, and had slid to
    a halt on his front. The forearms, chest either side of the zip and
    front thighs of the suit had completely abraded away. He was a weeping
    sore at all these points. Measuring him for a leather suit had to be
    undertaken with a great degree of care...

    Scott Leathers experimented with Keprotec suits in the 1990s, for 125
    GP runner Robin Appleyard, IIRC, but were similarly shocked at their
    lack of protective performance in racetrack crashes.

    A number of speedway took to Keprotec suits because of the ease of
    laundering, compared to leather, and the flexibility, but sliding on
    shale doesn't damage protective clothing to anywhere near the same
    degree of severity as sliding on tarmac.

    Test data from EC Type-Examination testing of Keprotec shows that its
    performance is little or no better than any 100% air-textured Nylon
    ("Cordura") fabric - less than 0.9 seconds from contact to perforation
    on the EN 13595-2 test apparatus. That is for the "face" side of the
    fabric. The reverse face features loops of aramid not unlike those
    found (in significantly greater concentration) in the original
    Tritector and current (polyester) Halvarssons Safety suits. The
    relative abrasions resistance of this side of the fabric runs at
    slightly above 1 second, IIRC.
    improve on the Keprotec suits of the 80s and 90s, but the base fabric
    remains the same - a textbook case of silk purses and sow's ears.

    I am not aware if trackday organisers allow Keprotec suits to be used.
    I suspect they might be entirely unaware that the material is not a
    direct alternative for leather (except for certain of the particularly
    thin, inadequately constructed, "caveat emptor" brands), so they might
    allow them through on the basis of the manufacturer's marketing claims
    alone.

    HTH

    [1] Swift Leathers
     
    Paul Varnsverry, Jun 15, 2006
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  3. JohnnyT

    JohnnyT Guest

    Thanks Paul,
    What other brand-names should I avoid for road/trackday riding?
    JT


     
    JohnnyT, Jun 15, 2006
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  4. JohnnyT

    Hog Guest

    <god bless>
     
    Hog, Jun 15, 2006
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  5. A search of this group for opinions expressed in previous threads
    should prove instructive. Bear in mind the nomadic nature of many
    distributors' purchasing policies. What is manufactured by a good
    subcontract manufacturer this year might be handed to someone less
    diligent, because they have offered a lower price, next year, so buying
    "caveat emptor" product on recommendation carries a risk.
     
    Paul Varnsverry, Jun 15, 2006
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  6. According to a relative who researched the Varnsverry family tree, one
    of our ancestors was a Pope, so divine blessing is a "given". +<:)-)
     
    Paul Varnsverry, Jun 15, 2006
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  7. JohnnyT

    Pip Guest

    "Trusting your life to the lowest bidder"
     
    Pip, Jun 15, 2006
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  8. Olden-time Popes used to shag like rabbits. Pre-14th C, iirc.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Jun 15, 2006
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  9. JohnnyT

    Lozzo Guest

    Paul Varnsverry said...
    Two of my cousins are Catholic priests, one works in the Vatican. We
    don't see eye to eye.
     
    Lozzo, Jun 15, 2006
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  10. JohnnyT

    Eiron Guest

    That Catholic celibacy thing meant no marrying, not no carrying on,
    so the offspring couldn't try to inherit church property.
     
    Eiron, Jun 15, 2006
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  11. LOL. You are not wrong, for it is said he was a very good friend of the
    Borgias.
     
    Paul Varnsverry, Jun 15, 2006
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  12. Exactly. All that collecting of wealth from the poor and next thing you
    know some bishop's brat is gathering it up.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Jun 15, 2006
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  13. JohnnyT

    DR Guest

    Isn't that where we got "nepotism" from?
     
    DR, Jun 15, 2006
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  14. JohnnyT

    SD Guest

    That's from Cornelius Nepos. iirc. Roman bloke.
     
    SD, Jun 15, 2006
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  15. Have you looked at the definition of 'celibacy' recently?
    It definately does mean 'no carrying on'.

    Phil.
     
    Phil Launchbury, Jun 16, 2006
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  16. JohnnyT

    OH- Guest

    That's quite beside the point. The important question is whether
    or not the olden-time popes looked up that definition. And, as the
    pope is infallible [1], why would he care what a fallible book said.

    [1] Yes, yes, I know the pope wasn't officially infallible until
    much later. OTOH, I suspect that such a wise ruling might be
    retroactive.
     
    OH-, Jun 16, 2006
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  17. JohnnyT

    AndrewR Guest

     
    AndrewR, Jun 16, 2006
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    Phil Launchbury, Jun 19, 2006
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