Justice

Penal reform? Go on Tony, I'll vote for you.....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4353449.stm

Can we include bike thieves?

'Hog

 

**** voting for him - can I be the crane driver?

 

'Hog wrote

Now that is fucking worrying.

When the likes of you start championing the likes of him then we are in
deep fucking shit.

 

Or when the Catholic Church advises Catholics to vote Tory ...

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=620582

 

genuine_froggie wrote

This is not new news, with the possible exception of the Wesleyites, the
Christian church in the UK has always been pro Tory.

 

What bit is wrong?

The process is a bit barbaric certainly but I do think that criminal
prosecution should include an element of revenge and restitution where
someone has been grievously harmed. Might help victims move on.

'Hog

 

Justice and revenge are mutually exclusive.

Discuss.

 

It's not a point of view that I'm inimically opposed to. Just lacking
the opportunity for victims to go in once a month and beat the crap out
of them or scream frustration and anger!! or something.

'Hog

 

But but but....I'm a moderate, almost a liberal FFS

 

Maggie's natural heir

 

*whew*

 

'Hog wrote

Sad but true.

 

It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the

The hair was the only natural thing about her.

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AOL

 

The word 'justice' has been hijacked and is used indiscrimately now as a
synonym for 'punishment'. There can be no 'justice' unless both the victim
and the 'judged' are treated fairly. You see the familes of executed
offenders claiming, 'justice has been done', but justice can never exist as
long as the deprivation of life forms a part of either a society's criminal
enforcement 'arsenal', or even as a concept to which the base members of
society subscribe, for by definition it involves the violation of one right
(in this case, the most inalienable from which no derogation is possible)
to 'assuage' the pain felt by the violation of another.

This is not justice.

 

Who invited you

 

The best bit about this is that we live in a democracy. The majority
support incarceration, harsher punishment than exists and capital
punishment, they do so in a huge majority. That fact is not going to
change this side of the moon leaving orbit. Are you saying therefor you
would like to see a further progression away from democracy towards the
imposition of the will of a minority?

'Hog

 

whilst I may not necessarily agree with what Des is saying[1], at least
I understood it.

Or are /you/ saying that the abolition of slavery, the decline of
anti-Semitism and female emancipation were all acts that could be
described by "a further progression away from democracy towards the
imposition of the will of a minority"?

Trend changes in sociopolitical attitudes are not necessarily "imposed"
by any sort of "will".

[1] I am in favour of the death penalty in certain cases[2] as opposed
to life-imprisonment, as it is considerably less of a burden on the
tax-payer.
[2] the incurably psychopathic murderer - can't rehabilitate them,
don't particularly feel they have any sort of right to live.

 

Oh FFS you've startled the fish <slap>

As you ask, AKAIK though i'm not expert, all three of these developed
into having majority public support, within GB anyway. The majority view
within the UK is generally a fairly moderate view is it not?

'Hog