Jerez - with spoilers

And yet again, Casey Stoner ends up in the gravel trap due to the Ducati
front end. <grin>

Rossi went to apologise to Stoner in the Honda garage, and sensibly kept
his helmet on. The cameras and mic followed him in so it was all caught
on TV. Stoner: "Is your shoulder ok, mate?", "Your problem is your
ambition is bigger than your talent" all delivered with a big grin and a
wink to the camera. If he keeps this up, perhaps the cynical Brits will
finally warm to him instead of calling him "Tiny Tears".

 

I'm no big fan of Stoner, but that was a real bonehead move on Rossi's
part, especially in those conditions. If Casey had a fit after the
race, I wouldn't have blamed him at all. His post race comments were
surprisingly tame, and I have to say I've gained some respect for him
for the way he handled it.

Strange race, with both Spies and Simoncelli giving up big points with
nobody near them.

 

Yeah; got it with get_iplayer so it should be on the iplayer
coverage:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0105sgl/MotoGP_2011_Round_2_Jerez/

...at 1:27:00 -- my ears didn't pick it up first time around.

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Stooner is a sook who cannot race in the wet

AYRTON SENNA:

"By being a racing driver means you are racing with other people. And
if you no longer go for a gap that exists, you are no longer a racing
driver because we are competing, competing to win. And the main
motivation to all of us is to compete for victory, it's not to come
3rd, 4th, 5th or 6th. I race to win"

Well done Senna, and well done Rossi!

 

Stooner is a sook who cannot race in the wet

AYRTON SENNA:

"By being a racing driver means you are racing with other people. And
if you no longer go for a gap that exists, you are no longer a racing
driver because we are competing, competing to win. And the main
motivation to all of us is to compete for victory, it's not to come
3rd, 4th, 5th or 6th. I race to win"

Well done Senna, and well done Rossi!


 When

 

it was a crazy and unpredictable race.

because of the conditions i am not sure i'd blame Rossi for a kamikaze
move. i also hope it does not have a big effect on the championship in
the end, but it was something that happened between people with the
proverbial potential so hopefully it will cancel itself out. given how
competitive this season is turning out to be, i hope that such
showdowns end just as harmlessly going forward.

i really felt bad about Spies, he was truly laying down a masterful
performance on a track he is not even that familiar with, and the
Spanish fans were digging it.

awesome result for Hayden - hopefully a confidence booster under
conditions that favor riding over material. also great for aoyama
(respect), elias (fix that bike dude), and hopkins (welcome back - top
10 on your first race back must feel like a podium finish).

this is turning out to be a very interesting season thanks to the
paddock moves.

 

What are you on about? Check Malaysian MotoGP in 2009... Pouring
rain , and Stoner just walked away from everyone.'

SHELL ADVANCE MALAYSIAN MOTORCYCLE GP
MotoGP Race Classification 2009


Sepang, Sunday, October 25, 2009

Pos. Points Num. Rider Nation Team Bike Km/h Time/Gap
1 25 27 Casey STONER AUS Ducati Marlboro Team Ducati 147.4 47'24.834
2 20 3 Dani PEDROSA SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 146.7 +14.666
3 16 46 Valentino ROSSI ITA Fiat Yamaha Team Yamaha 146.4 +19.385



http://resources.motogp.com/files/results/xx/2009/MAL/MotoGP/RAC/Analysis.pdf?v1_96143780

 

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can stream the archive of the race. Unless it's too close to the end.
They cut off the archive before the post-race inteviews.
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Maybe Rossi wasn't quite familiar with the proverbial Ducati front end
and thought everything was ok.

After the race the wet tires were ripped, as seen in the inspection of
the top 3 bikes. Apparently it got too dry and they were destroyed. The
only tread (cuts for water escaping) left was on the very edges, which
were all torn up.
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Here's what Rossi & Stoner said:

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/168055/1/what_stoner_said_to_rossi_after_jerez_crash.html

Except, the way I heard it, Rossi said: "Ambition?"

Then he kind of went away. He wasn't real confident.
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That. Rossi got past, Stoner gave him room. It was all a perfectly
acceptable move, right up to the moment when Rossi's front folded. You'd
think that Rossi could just wait a couple of corners and get the pass
done without it be quite so risky. It was still early in the race and
Lorenzo, Simoncelli weren't getting away. He'd already passed a whole
bunch of people with relative ease and he may have thought this was just
one more of them. Right up to that moment of asking just too much from
the tyre it looked like Burgess and Rossi had pulled off a winning setup
for the damp track.

Stoner and Suppo were complaining that the marshalls didn't help enough
to get Stoner's bike going again. Suppo sounded just like Alec Ferguson
moaning about some referee decision. Except, hello? Marshalls aren't
there to restart bikes. They're there for safety. And the only reason
the bike was dead was that Stoner had deliberately hit the kill switch.

We felt really sorry for Simoncelli, Spies, Crutchlow, Edwards. But then
Lorenzo, Pedrosa, Hayden managed speed perfectly and the others didn't.

Looks like a good season, doesn't it? I just really hope Dani's surgery
works.

 

"Deliberately" may be over stating the case. I've since read a report
that Stoner hit the kill switch accidentally while falling off rather
than deliberately hitting it.

Remember when WSB used to have a ruling about automatic fall over kill
switches? Maybe MotoGp should just have those but also on board
starters!

Meanwhile there are claims that Rossi misjudged his braking and got
suckered into the pass. I don't believe that. Even though it started a
long way back, his line and everything about it up to the moment the
front folded looked like Rossi going for the pass.

Did you see the footage of Cluzel running into the back of Marquez? He
was completely sideways on the paint and by the time it was back under
control he was only feet from the rear of Marquez and still going 20mph
faster.

 

Rossi is a master of the art of show for the cameras. If he was
genuine, he would have at least taken his helmet off.
Stoner is 100% correct in what he said.

And to those who wonder why Stoner hit the kill switch, remember the
limited number of motors allowed per rider per season.
An engine laying on its side , and running is not good for it Oil runs
away from oil pump pickup, and next thing, we have a ruined motor.
Thats why Stoner cut the engine.

Maybe it would be a good idea to have " on board" starters.

 

Except they restarted Rossi's. Must be fans.
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Speaking to some Italians friends recently, this was their opinion of him
in general. Everything is for show.

 

So if a Ducati can be started uphill with a push but a Honda takes two
people pushing not one, perhaps the Honda needs some re-design? Stoner
is moaning that he only had one marshall pushing and that's not enough.
Perhaps they need a thing like the old compression release lever to
manually lock up the slipper clutch?

This game happens just often enough where there's a dead engine after a
light spill and not much damage that you would think it would be worth
the engineers solving the problem.

After Gibernau, are there any Rossi fans in Spain? Or perhaps another
way, would an Andalucian marshall want Stoner back out there picking up
points when his main rivals are Lorenzo and Pedrosa? I'm not saying it's
like that at all but I could understand a patriotic fan being just a
little lazy about helping Stoner to get back out there. And a
knowledgeable patriotic fan seeing Ducati-Rossi back out there as no
problem.

 

If I remember right, multiple marshals pushed Rossi, but walked away
from Stoner.

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Jorge unhappy with marshalls for favoritism towards Rossi.

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/s...11JerezMotoGPJorgeLorenzounhappywithmarshals/


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Geez talk about someone playing it up for the media. Lorenzo is a
notorious egomaniac - not that I think racers as a whole aren't or
shouldn't be... the barbs are amusing, and typically reveal more about
the racer making the statement than the ones they are pretending to
give a neutral evaluation of :-D

This was a crazy race. Given the overall stats, chances are Stoner
would have taken Rossi out 2 turns later I think it's simply
because it is a fun thing to start to build up. My only issue ios
simply that I think Stoner is a serious championship contender and I
hope such issues don't make a difference in the championship - they
ought to be spread out evenly among all contenders with equally
harmless consequences. Rossi in turn doesn't look anywhere near
championship contention right now - and I don't think it's only the
bike.

If the supposed chronic injuries going around the paddock are *that*
bad, hey guys, retire or move to WSB and let fresh talent in. No one
has more reasons to claim chronic injuries than Hopkins, and he was
happy as a clam. Good for him. Hopefully that means he'll be back when
new rules allow for renwed factory investment. I like him. So -naming
names- Rossi and Pedrosa shut up....

I wonder what Elias' bike issues are about. He claims the bike is
under-developed.... isn't it a regular Honda...? It seems the problem
isn't the bike, it's the team, and it's other the engineers or the
rider, and this is second to last call for Elias.

 

There's some wonderful photos out there.
- Stoner on top of his bike on top of Rossi's bike on top of Rossi.
- Stoner being pushed by 5 or 6 marshalls
- Stoner standing at the side of the track slow clapping Rossi as he
goes past and Rossi waving back
- Rossi stalking into the Honda pit with a complete media circus behind
him.

I think the marshalls may have been a bit slow helping Stoner but there
were several helping him. I also think they all faded away as they got
near the track on a corner that saw several accidents and where the
bikes brake from 175mph. I suspect Stoner did hit the kill switch while
Rossi hung on to the clutch and kept the engine running. Which all makes
me think Stoner is making a lot of noise to cover for him making the
situation worse. I don't believe Rossi's story about being unable to
stop and so being forced into a pass. I think he got carried away with
how fast he was passing everyone and the possibility of a big win.

Fun, innit!