Wicked Uncle Nigel posted:[QUOTE] Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, SD It's always fascinated me that "going against the whip" is held up as a black mark against MPs. I would regard that as a good thing. But then again, I rile against the whole "Ya-booo! He did a U-turn!" thing. If one, just *one* politician had the balls to stand up and say "I have listened to the arguments, thought deeply, and decided that my original position was wrong. I support the position originally posited by my opponents." I would probably have to marry them and have their babies. But it will never happen.[/QUOTE] A sentiment with which I whole-heartedly agree. I feel that an inculcated party system is entirely incompatible with good governance, and only leads to needlessly adversarial and short-term politics.