It's all for our own safety, dear. And it's fairer.

<Considers contents of garage and smiles>

 

So I will simply be driving a vehicle registered in another European
country. Oh or are they going to make this an EU wide project covering
every vehicle in every corner of the Great Project? What then happens
to their revenue model when a sun storm takes out the satellite (s).
It's as likely to deliver as a new EU wide Air Traffic control network
*snort*

'Hog

 

sweller scribbled on the back of a napkin:

Yes, yes, that was a rethorical question...

*I* wasn't the one going on about speed limiters. My point is that a
scheme like this will give whoever administers it a *complete* record
of where every vehicle in the UK was at any given time. IMHO that is

I read it as if it redistributes the fuel cost, and I don't think it'll
do much about the congestion - if you have to go from A to B and
there's no public transport, it matters eff-all how much the roads in
between A and B are going to cost you.

Not to mention I have this irrational fear that we suddenly find
ourselves paying even more for transport again.

Wearing my mini-economist hat I have to say that what annoys me is that
again it's a highly regressive form of taxation if you live in a
"congestion" area. While that probably won't stop people in my income
percentile from driving everywhere, we're back to the "key workers"
getting shafted - see London and the congestion tax.

 

Dr Zoidberg scribbled on the back of a napkin:

<points at 'off' switch>

Not to mention that there's a very, very big difference between a
compulsory accurate tracking system and one that you voluntarily expose
yourself to.

 

Steve Parry scribbled on the back of a napkin:

Don't give those cnuts ideas...

Put a fence around the island and call it 'gulag'.

 

Ben scribbled on the back of a napkin:

Well, if my house purchase comes off and the M20 gets charged at the
maximum of 1.34 per mile, I could say that I beat your 100 quid
comfortably by another 47.40.

Stick it up their arses they can, but you can *bet* that they'll find
that the same focus group that is so pro-id cards will be very much
pro-tracking as well.

 

'Hog scribbled on the back of a napkin:

I can't quite see that happening - the motoring lobby in say, Germany,
would kick up such a stink that the whole thing would go down like a
leaden duck.

Countries that have had plenty of exposure to unsavoury
regimes/dictatorships (and there are quite a few in the EU) would
probably make sure that the EU-wide model wouldn't fly.

 

You haven't really swallowed that "key workers" bullshit from the
opponents of the CC, have you? I thought you were smarter than that.

 

GSM OTD ~100m so is that good enough?
GSM EOTD ~20m getting better

Once the MS also has a built in GPS then it's going to be as good a
D-GPS,around ~1-2m

 

How many SOBs can you hoard in there?

And it wouldn't even need to be particularly old bikes either.
There isn't going to be much potential for a system that couldn't easily be
disconnected even on something like my thundercat

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HoHum; yet another cack-handed idea floated by the anti-car lobby in the
NuLabour party. Now the fuckers have just won the election and are
secure for another 4 / 5 years, the crackpots in the party can have a
bit of free time to enjoy themselves.

Just imagine it though; you're doing a run some hundreds of miles away
and find yourself having to make your way home at a time which
co-incides with high road charging. Once or twice a year might be
bearable, but for many drivers, it's a daily occurence.

And what about all the office/service workers who don't have flexitime?
Many thousands of them are going to fall foul of this on a daily basis.

It's one of the most absurd proposals I've heard coming out of any
government and the cripple-brains who thought this up should be locked
in a cupboard.

 

Aye, my 34 miles each way isn't an excessive commute and I was
assuming that the M42 and M5 will be top rate.

That said, I can actually do the commute via minor A and B roads and
it's even a little shorter at 30 miles. Takes an extra half an hour
though. Unless I'm on the bike.

 

In terms of effecting a fucking nanny state?

Depending on which alternative we're discussing, I think not.

--
JackH

CBR1000 - Micra 1.3 (K11)

BOTAFOT #110 D.Bot (University Of Speed) - BOTAFOF #29 - GHPOTHUF #29

 

Ah, but it's a congestion charge - so bikes should be exempt

and take advantage of cheaper petrol and no road tax

 

Safe to say that the unthinking knee jerk reaction has sealed this,
apparently, ill thought scheme's fate.

The scheme may be quietly shelved only to be used as a stick to beat the
fuel lobby next time they start whinging about the cost of fuel.

Which is a shame as it, on the face of it, shifts the burden of emissions
and congestion onto those causing it and away from rural users who have
no real alternative but to use cars.

 

....but clears the way, once shelved, to increase fuel duty.

 

See sig!

 

Interesting piece in one of the papers today about emissions, and CO2
output.

Domestic fridges and washing machines, for example, produce quite a lot.

IMHO, forget moaning about CO2 emissions. Every bit of mankind's
activity produces C02. Live with it or live in a fucking cave.

Plant more trees instead.

 

That and find CO2 neutral generation methods. Personally rather than
adventuring in the middle East I'd be spending the money on finding a
replacement for fossil based petrol/fuel oils.

 

Maybe if they'd proposed something a bit more reasonable, then they might
not have got quite the same reaction.

My gut instinct is that this is more the usual tactic of proposing something
draconian, so that something else not likely to impress the populous is
accepted, as the lesser of two, three or however many evils they feel they
need to propose, to ensure they get their own way.

Maybe.

Tis a fact though, that transport is a nice little money spinner for the
Government as it is...

To get to their office in the town, perchance? A clue: they're not all
bumpkins who happen to work on a farm, those who live out in the sticks

I mean, have you actually looked at the prices of houses in the countryside
these days?

--
JackH

CBR1000 - Micra 1.3 (K11)

BOTAFOT #110 D.Bot (University Of Speed) - BOTAFOF #29 - GHPOTHUF #29