IQ scores

Pretend? What you on about? They _are_ all cockneys.

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Are you sure about that? IME the clueless and feckless can exist in all
strata of workplace.

 

So Maidstone's "within the sound of Bow Bells" then is it?

 

I didn't want to say "common people" outright.

 

Same here, but up to a point, and moving house falls slightly beyond that.

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Don't worry, most of them wouldn't be able to read it unless it was
written in SMS speak.

 

It seems a very small and relatively inexpensive price to pay to me.

 

**** the fancy definitions, they all speak with cockney accents.

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Well, you could include most of southern england if you're going to use
that explanation. Also, I understand, parts of the midlands.

 

"Get orf of moi laaaand"

The only difference is that instead of using local poor people to do
the menial work we import them from Eastern Europe. For 'gangmasters'
read agencies because they're all on the gravy train.

 

Damn you being utterly serious.

No, I wouldn't.

I hope my children grow up with a social conscience and are willing to
pay their part in funding the society we should live in.

However, I hope that they are able to distance themselves from those
they find irksome; car thieves, smack heads and the like.

I think we may be.

I could 'insulate' myself completely from people with different values
to mine. Actually... it wouldn't take much effort to insulate myself
from most other people full stop.

 

I disagree.

The financial strain of moving to another area, and having put roots down
over a long period of time does seem like too high a price to me.

Fortunately, both of mine are of the mindset to get on with life no matter
what potential barriers are put in front of them in order to get where they
want to be.

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You clearly think that this is in itself something bad, but for the
life of me I can't work out why. Whatever school you go to you're
'segregated' to a particular group of people - why is it bad for that
group to be mainly composed of your intellectual peers, rather than
being one of the few bright kids amongst a school of thickies?

As they do (did) within the grammar schools. But the top group at a
comprehensive would still be teaching, by definition, at a
substantially lower level than the top group at a grammar. In my day,
and yours, this was measurable by the number of pupils being offered
GCEs rather than just CSEs.

Right. Which is why there used to be a 14+ exam which, AIUI, allowed
the brighter kids to switch schools at a later stage. Sure, the kids
concerned would then still be somewhat behind their grammar-school
co-pupils, but possibly still be better off by making the change,
which allowed them to aspire to 'O' and 'A' levels and university,
than by being effectively denied the better education throughout.

Sure. The brighter kids need brighter teachers too. Seems fair to me.

So you think thick kids have been transformed into high-flyers by the
comprehensive system? And of course, we've seen a consistent increase
in academic achievements at age 16-18 since it's been in place,
haven't we?

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Look at the cost of private education then; I used the term 'relatively'
advisedly.

Moving house is going to cost 10k or so; a drop in the fucking ocean-
any private school is going to cost at least that per child per year.

Most people moving house to get to a better catchment area are only
doing so within the same town, hardly a major upheaval for them.

 

Do you see that attitude amongst those of us (including Steve, Andy
and myself) who did go to grammar school? No, you don't. Sorry, but
you seem to be spouting groundless hyperbolae.

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Private Education never really figured in any plans for my kids, mainly
because of the expense. It wasn't worth even looking.

To get a house significantly better than where I am (and have been for some
years), would cost a lot more than £10K after moving expenses have been
deducted. This is why I haven't moved house (but have looked on several
occasions, always coming to the same conclusion).

In my case, it would involve moving to another county, most probably.

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Champ's not alone. Although many parents lament the disappearance of
grammar schools, my understanding is that those in the profession,
including teachers, believe the most important thing is not to have
secondary modern schools, or whatever would replace them as the
"abandon all hope ye who enter" destination of those who fail to make
grammar school.

 

Estuarine, is it not?

 

Imo, it's a mistake to hoik a kid out of a school after second year at
second level. If any house moving is to be done for
educational/financial/employment reasons, it must be done before that.

 

OK, so you're advocating a system that leaves the also-rans "somewhat
behind" by design? If you think having an exam at 14 to allow
re-streaming is a good idea, why not have re-streaming at 12, 13, 14, 15
and 16, as the comp system would allow?

Conversely, the grammar school I was at had pisspoor facilities in many
respects compared to the local secondary schools. I can't speak for the
standard of teaching, as I only attended my own school, but the
investment just wasn't there (they're bright, they'll shine, they don't
need the extra.) And some of the teachers I had (a minority, admittedly)
could only dream of being 2nd class.

It's not about the thick kids. Nor is about the high flyers. It's about
the borderline kids or the ones who just haven't hit their stride by age
11. At that age, all kids have been subject to a lowest common
denominator primary education, and not necessarily exposed at all to the
subject which may capture their imagination, regardless of the fact that
they're still more interested in bicycles, skateboards and Nintendo than
on scientific endeavour.

Miss the 11+ baseline by 1%? Not got an older brother/sister at the
grammar school already? Welcome to the scrapheap, kids.

If you read the league tables, then it's probably fair to say that we
have.

One other thing to note, round my way all the grammars were single-sex.
Christ knows how much teenage fanny I missed out on as a result. For
that reason alone, the Kent education system of the 80s and 90s should
be at the bottom of a large pile of scorn.