Interesting given recent press that the RSPB allow shooting on it's reserves. 2003 Links between con

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    A letter I certainly agree with and in future shall be questioning
    which charities I give money to. If I give money to a charity to
    protect wildlife, I don't expect them to also be earning money selling
    licence's to shoot wildlife!

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    Links between conservation charities and hunting

    http://www.liberation-mag.org.uk/conservation.htm
    Whilst trawling the Internet for info for the forthcoming
    CON-servation website which will expose the inextricable links between
    conservation charities and hunters, I came across a news release by
    the British Association of Shooting and Conservation dated 7 June 2000
    that claimed shooters were "managing" a wildfowl reserve for the RSPB.
    I posted a message asking where it was on the UK Environment
    Conservation Newsgroup, and lo and behold, within a day or so the
    webpage had disappeared from the Net.
    I decided to phone the RSPB headquarters for info and they told me
    that they were not aware of any reserve being managed by shooters, but
    would have somebody phone me back. A couple of days later a chap
    called Paul Walton from the RSPB Edinburgh office phoned to say he
    thought it might be at Langston Harbour but was not sure However, we
    had a long civilised chat and agreed that we could not agree on the
    RSPB's killing of wildlife and their close association with hunters.
    I thought I should follow our conservation with a letter, so here it
    is:
    I've not had a response yet.
    Regards
    Angus Macmillan
    Roots-of-Blood Campaign
    www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
    www.killhunting.org.uk

    25 January 2003
    Paul Walton Esq.
    RSPB Scotland Headquarters
    25 Ravelston Terrace
    Edinburgh
    EH4 3TP

    Dear Paul
    Killing of wild birds and mammals.
    Our telephone chat yesterday was very interesting and civilised, and
    although we agreed to disagree, I feel it necessary to follow up with
    a letter to clarify some points that we glossed over in a conversation
    that moved quickly from one point to another.
    Before going on to these, you will recall that my telephone call to
    your head office was to enquire about a British Association of
    Shooters and Conservation news release I stumbled on, which claimed
    that shooters were managing an RSPB wildfowl reserve. It seemed
    extremely suspicious that within two days of me highlighting this web
    page on the UK Environment Conservation Newsgroup, it was taken off
    the Net.

    You seem to think there is a possibility that the reserve in question
    could be Langston Harbour, which might in part be managed on an
    exclusivity basis for BASC members, but that not all of the area might
    be owned by the RSPB. Since this matter still seems unclear, I would
    be very grateful if you would look into this more closely and perhaps
    let me know your findings. If the BASC shooters are managing an RSPB
    reserve it can mean only one thing; birds are being shot on what
    should be a haven. We both know what the euphemism "managing" means.
    Our fundamental disagreement appears to be that the RSPB puts the
    importance of biodiversity and the population growth of rare species
    well ahead of the protection of individual birds and mammals, whereas,
    I am absolutely opposed to the killing of any wildlife to achieve
    these aims. From what you said, I think you agree that I have a moral
    justification for my stance.

    It must be recognised that human activities, both directly and
    indirectly, are mainly responsible for the decline in wildlife and its
    habitats, yet conservation organisations, including the RSPB, stop at
    the door of controversy, for political reasons, by ignoring the human
    impact - and unbelievably encourage it - whilst at the same time kill
    innocent wildlife they consider to be competing with other species
    they wish to promote.

    This is an injustice that needs to be addressed, and I do not approach
    this matter from a position of "fury" as you suggest but from a
    determination that the innocent wildlife should not suffer for man's
    ever invading selfishness and greed. Wildlife needs no more than we
    need for ourselves - a peaceful environment, free from persecution.
    We touched on a number of issues that I would like to clarify:

    1. The objectives of the RSPB which are shown in the Charity
    Commission website are:
    (a) To conserve wild birds and the wider environment on which wild
    birds depend, maintaining bird numbers, diversity and natural
    geographical distribution.
    (b) To conserve natural and semi-natural habitats and to re-create
    habitats.
    (c) To encourage others to practice the conservation of wild birds and
    habitats.
    (d) To promote knowledge of conservation through education and
    research.

    If this is to be interpreted in plain English, there is no stated
    provision for the RSPB to be involved in killing members of one
    species of wild bird to promote or protect another. They are all wild
    birds! Nor is there a provision to enter into trade-offs with those
    who wish to kill wild birds for fun and recreation. Indeed, the RSPB
    should be actively opposing all those who are killing wild birds as
    part of its conservation remit.
    Neither is there any stated proviso for the RSPB to favour bird
    populations over individual wild birds, so there can be no
    justification for killing ANY of them, or supporting and condoning
    those who do. If the RSPB is intent on killing wild birds and mammals
    to protect others it should say so in its objectives, because such an
    activity is well beyond what is currently stated.

    2. Conservation: It is easily seen that in (a) of your objectives,
    conservation means conserving wild birds and habitats. However, by the
    time one reaches (d) there is a change in the meaning of
    "conservation" to that of a generality; "wild birds" has been dropped.
    Whilst accepting almost anything can be conserved, the prime meaning
    of conservation is attributed to conserving the planet's resources for
    generations to come. In fact, all nature conservation at a lower level
    than that is contributory and conversely dependent on the primary
    conservation being sustained. Taking it to extremes, there would be no
    point in saving a few birds if there was no future for the planet.
    In this respect the RSPB cannot be regarded as a conservation
    organisation if it encourages hundreds of thousands of visitors to
    reserves and to events such as the Countryside Fair at Vane Farm. It
    also openly identifies and promotes itself with tourism, which is an
    anathema to conservation. So whilst there may be an element of
    conservation in the RSPB's work, the overall picture could be very
    different with it's very existence and ethos having a negative impact
    on the environment. Indeed, that could very well be the case with a
    number of conservation groups. That is why I have christened them the
    CONservationists on Internet newsgroups and why this will be part of
    the theme of the forthcoming con-servation.org.uk website.
    A holding page is currently on www.con-servation.org.uk

    3. Hunting: When I use the word hunting, I use it in the sense that it
    applies to hunting estates and their wide range of activities
    culminating in the injury and death of countless thousands of
    creatures, including game birds and wildfowl, for fun, recreation and
    profit. BASC members are responsible for much of this carnage. Why an
    organisation such as the RSPB, that purports to protect birds, can
    produce joint reports with the BASC who tags on the "conservation"
    label to mask the true purpose of its existence is beyond me.
    The RSPB's excuse seems to be that it does not concern itself with
    game birds, and since killing them is within the law, can do nothing
    about it. Quite frankly, that is a convenient get out. To start with,
    many game birds are wild and because they have the "game" tag on them
    doesn't make them less so. Indeed, you are protecting the capercaillie
    and to some extent the black grouse, which are both game birds and
    wild. So the message coming across here is that you're not concerned
    about game birds being abused, provided they don't decline in numbers.
    Some way of protecting birds!

    There is no reason why the RSPB could not condemn the injury and
    slaughter of these birds, whether or not it's a legal activity.
    Hunting with hounds was a legal activity until it was banned due
    partly to a number of charities persistently condemning it. So, is
    there an underlying reason why the RSPB won't condemn the killing?
    Well, one only has to look at who your patron is, to understand that
    there is an inextricable link with rich and powerful hunting interests
    that the RSPB might not wish to upset for fear of losing financial
    support. But it should be recognised that it is the birds that are
    suffering and the RSPB should have the courage and conviction to speak
    out against the killing. Not to do so, gives out the message that game
    birds are expendable, there to be abused, and the RSPB doesn't really
    care.

    You said yesterday that the RSPB do a lot of good work and that "we
    are on the same side". I don't deny the former and I'm on record of
    saying so, but we're definitely not on the same side when it comes to
    your organisation killing birds and mammals that are competing with
    the species you wish to protect and turning a blind eye to those who
    kill birds for fun and recreation.
    A couple of years ago I was told by Dr Gareth Thomas that the RSPB is
    ultimately working towards a no-kill policy.
    If or when that happens we'll be on the same side - and you can send
    me a membership form.
    Regards
    Yours sincerely
    Angus Macmillan
     
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